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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Elizabeth Bates died (13/12/2003) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 21:51:12 +1300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: <vjgsi7$3ak9o$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: r.clark@auckland.ac.nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:51:20 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ea71ee98ae3bea0ca152bfd8e5eddda5"; logging-data="3494200"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/BmgaG34h0SQMCeWLQEF9+h1p1XJVAm+E=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:91wVrC7jGI9rl+opqtm6YzGyWhk= X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.eternal-september.org:119 Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2224 Only 56. Pancreatic cancer. An important theorist of children's acquisition of language, and thus of language-mind-brain problems generally. I'm pretty sure I heard her speak once (on the subject of the purported "language gene"), but can't quite place the event. Links lead to the "East Pole-West Pole Divide" in cognitive psychology and cognitive neuroscience, which perhaps lasted as long as it takes to say it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Pole-West_Pole_divide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bates Crystal mentions in particular the idea of "proto-words", not in the historical sense, but vocalizations that come between babbling (sound-practice) and the first real words, which seem to have a stable form and, perhaps, meaning, except that nobody knows what it is. I recall spending an evening in the company of a young fellow in his second year of life, who seemed to speak whole sentences in this way. His parents could not tell me what he meant, but I put the tape recorder on anyway. "Just wait until he learns to talk," I thought, "then we can play the tape and ask him 'What did you mean by this, or that?'" It didn't happen.