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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 11:42:13 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: <vji2mk$3j24e$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <viuc2a$27gm1$1@dont-email.me> <8a53c5d4-4afd-4f25-b1da-30d57e7fe91c@att.net> <vj1acu$31atn$3@dont-email.me> <ec451cd6-16ba-463d-8658-8588093e1696@att.net> <vj2f61$3b1no$1@dont-email.me> <10ebeeea-6712-4544-870b-92803ee1e398@att.net> <vj3tl0$3nktg$2@dont-email.me> <1f1a4089-dfeb-45f8-9c48-a36f6a4688fb@att.net> <vj6bqo$b6bt$1@dont-email.me> <b09445be167b757878741be04c87cf76d24d9786@i2pn2.org> <vj6psc$dp01$1@dont-email.me> <84818a4f5d3795b746b017ad0861a3d818c5b053@i2pn2.org> <vj8vd0$stav$1@dont-email.me> <5805ad50ebff3400d1370d8c99790cbc727a340a@i2pn2.org> <e86171d3-e5c1-4725-952d-d4da0f4ded07@tha.de> <1ac93432f1ba567e0f15308b8964bee86b92c706@i2pn2.org> <vjc7q2$1ir2f$2@dont-email.me> <4e7901e16785581d0d02a2d6474d7d2615c5fac9@i2pn2.org> <vje9dp$229c8$1@dont-email.me> <8faa2f28f026986f1b6f78fc0397ad137640dce5@i2pn2.org> <vjerpm$25skv$1@dont-email.me> <80e52b661cd6caf51ba386c1d5148a11a4046a48@i2pn2.org> <vjh3qj$3b6vi$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 20:42:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="26a19b1a37777dfd496148d33b3a5183"; logging-data="3770510"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+A5S0hoVR5aUaSjXV0aCUzA2DJ/kqAM/Q=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1ogPy9Bjg1Lt1vYa5Yi8WilJfQM= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vjh3qj$3b6vi$5@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3512 On 12/13/2024 2:55 AM, WM wrote: > On 13.12.2024 03:23, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 12/12/24 9:25 AM, WM wrote: >>> if Cantor can apply all natural numbers as indices for his >>> bijections, then all must leave the sequence of endsegments. Then the >>> sequence (E(k)) must end up empty. And there must be a continuous >>> staircase from E(k) to the empty set. >>> >> But a segment that is infinite in length is, by definiton, missing at >> least on end. > > That means that the premise "if Cantor can apply all natural numbers as > indices for his bijections" is false. Of course cantor pairing can be indexed. You just don't know. Whatever. >> So, which bijection from Cantor are you talking about? Of are you >> working on a straw man that Cantor never talked about? > > There are many. The mapping from natumbers to the rationals, for > instance, needs all natural numbers. That means all must leave the > endsegments. Another example is Cantor's list "proving" uncountable > sets. If not every natural number has left the endsegment and is applied > as an index of a line of the list, the list is useless. > > But if every natural number has left the endsegments, then the > intersection of all endsegments is empty. Then the infinite sequence of > endegments has a last term (and many finite predecessors, because of > ∀k ∈ ℕ : ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k+1)} = ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} \ {k}). > > Regards, WM > > >