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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Battery (SLA) modeling Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:15:35 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <vjif6n$3ldn9$1@dont-email.me> References: <vjgltr$394qj$1@dont-email.me> <82roljdcepbps2or1vlqq3ll0qnkhvgadm@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 00:15:35 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c5f2f3c5a5e6c9175452cf2098d7ebb0"; logging-data="3847913"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Z6MHYlCWYjZPO6blbGOBO" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JH3wEECKdbdq0GHOUlebsnFAMgM= sha1:T/D4aLCoX+oDiXMLVAmz3iF9za8= Bytes: 2054 john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 23:57:54 -0700, Don Y > <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote: > >> At a fixed time and temperature, is it safe to model a battery as a >> fixed voltage source behind a series resistance? Possibly, additionally, >> a parallel RC to cover transients? >> >> In particular, does the model need to change based on whether the >> battery is being charged or discharged? (i.e., to estimate that >> series resistance) > > I've wondered about electro-chemical time lags, ions drifting around > in liquids, as in what would the Spice model of some battery be? And > on a slower time scale, the morphology of a battery changes with time. > Nearly discharged batteries sure go Hi-Z. > > What we need here is a good physical chemistry guy. > > Yes I have noticed SLA can exhibit an initial voltage sag far longer than can be explained just by internal resistance- I assumed some kind of stagnant electrolyte layering effect? -- piglet