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Subject: Re: [OT] Murder in New York
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 20:32:17 +1300
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On 14/12/24 05:30, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 08:53:40 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/12/24 08:43, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 08:58:15 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
>>> <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 07:56:54 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/11/24 00:53, Charles Packer wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:12:46 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/10/24 13:04, quadibloc wrote:
>>>>>>>> A few days ago, I had read in the news that the CEO of a major health
>>>>>>>> insurer was gunned down. This was shocking; it seemed to mean that no
>>>>>>>> one was safe from crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	Actually it was a targeted assasination.
>>>>>>> 	The killer had suffered a back injury and ended up
>>>>>>> with lots of titanium screws holding his spine together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	I do not know exactly the beef he had but the
>>>>>>> business of Health Insurance did not help the excutive's case with
>>>>>>> Luigi Mangione.
>>>>>>> 	
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The solution which is unlikely to happen with the incoming
>>>>>>> admiistration is Basic Assured Income and Universal Healthcare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When that story hit the news I looked forward to the naming of the
>>>>>> suspect. Ah, the allegorical aspects. A very English name murdered by a
>>>>>> very Italian one. Hasn't there been some kind of beef for a while
>>>>>> between the two most ancient institutions of Western civilization?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 	Now from what I hear Luigi had a beef because of a
>>>>> painful pre-existing back condition not because of the old opposition
>>>>> between Northern and Southern Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At least some journalists have gone down an allegorical path
>>>> with this story, using the lives of the protagonists
>>>> rather than vicissitudes of health care. From the front page of
>>>> the Washington Post: "As Mangione's once-charmed life
>>>> seemed to be crumbling, Brian Thompson's fortunes appeared to
>>>> be climbing."
>>>
>>> Unacceptable as it was, at least this appears to be an ordinary crime,
>>> not an ideological one. For now, anyway.
>>
>> 	To me it looks like the result of policies enforced by CEOs
>> of Insurance compaies of Denying payment for care, delaying approval
>> of care, and refusing the care for the particular patient. Just to
>> increase profit.
> 
> Exactly. A non-ideological crime based on actual wrongdoing. Not in
> any way admirable.
> 
>> Here is a comic illustrating this>
>> <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/12/12/2291287/-Cartoon-Tom-the-Dancing-Bug-and-the-Manhunt-for-the-Killer-CEO>
> 
> My solution is simpler: the person at the top is /always/ responsible
> [1]. Unless he was active in supervising the organization and this was
> hidden from him.
> 
> [1] This is a common trope, whether by Pres Truman ("The buck stops
> here", pointing to his desk or perhaps the Oval Office) to Star Trek
> VI, where Kirk agrees that, as Captain, he is responsible for what
> happened. So why does the buck /not/ stop at the top dog in these
> cases?

Perhaps because one is fiction with a message and the other is reality?