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From: Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
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Subject: Re: Faking a TTY on a pipe/socketpair
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 10:05:09 -0000 (UTC)
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 07:42:07 -0800
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> gabbled:
>On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 10:38:51 -0000 (UTC)
>Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
>
>> That other abortion poetrring wrote pulseaudio was shoved into every
>> distro until people realised that all it did was remove the
>> complexity of Alsa and add its own complexity in exchange. And being
>> built on alsa it simply added another layer and hence delay into the
>> sound system where you REALLY don't want delays.
>
>This bears repeating. Why *anybody* decided to trust the judgement of
>the person who gave us the jankiest of all the incredibly janky *nix
>audio subsystems is beyond comprehension.

Agreed. On a side note, its a shame the original authors of X didn't decide
to do sound too or at least provide an API that others could build extensions
to use because by the time X - or at least X11 - was adopted unix had moved on
from cabinet sized servers to desktop workstations where sound mattered. It 
seems odd to me that graphics and sound are still totally seperate on unix
but perhaps my formative years on 8 bit home micros where graphics and sound
came bundled skew my opinion.