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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:40:48 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <vjku0v$5rcl$2@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vg7vgh$csek$1@dont-email.me> <vg8911$dvd6$1@dont-email.me> <vjgvpc$3bb3f$1@dont-email.me> <vjh28r$3b6vi$4@dont-email.me> <vjjfmj$3tuuh$1@dont-email.me> <vjjgds$3tvsg$2@dont-email.me> <539edbdf516d69a3f1207687b802be7a86bd3b48@i2pn2.org> <vjk97t$1tms$1@dont-email.me> <c9e28c8c52f4885d550cd9c4083d9cf19331e572@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:40:48 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="046d7fae51030e0b0ef5ced8c293542c"; logging-data="191893"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18blGUbUW2GlpC4yW2GxfpuGu07pEO53VQ=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:YMUonUEVBUBnBB3HHPYqelSiAUg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <c9e28c8c52f4885d550cd9c4083d9cf19331e572@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3077 On 14.12.2024 19:53, Richard Damon wrote: > On 12/14/24 10:46 AM, WM wrote: >> On 14.12.2024 12:06, joes wrote: >>> Am Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:42:37 +0100 schrieb WM: >>>> On 14.12.2024 09:30, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-12-13 10:28:44 +0000, WM said: >>>>>> On 13.12.2024 10:46, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Between any two intervals there is space and that space contains >>>>>>> other intervals. >>>>>> No. Starting from a point in the complement the cursor will hit a >>>>>> first interval. This is true for all visible intervals. >>>>> False. From a point that is not a part of an interval no interval is >>>>> the nearest one because another interval is nearer. >>>> IF ALL intervals and their endpoints are existing as invariable points >>>> on the real line this cannot happen. In potential infinity however >>>> between any two points new intervals come into being. >>> They are ALREADY there. >> >> Therefore they cannot appear after the cursor has passed their >> positions. Every interval and every end of an interval would be hit by >> the cursor. >> > Where did the cursor come from in the first place? It starts in the complement of the intervals of measure 3 covering rational numbers. If the cursor is thrown by chance, the chance is 3/oo = 0 that it hits an interval. > > And why did it pass them when you tried to place t? It passes an interval when it moves. > > This is your old problem of there not being a "next" in a dense set. In a geometry where all points exist, all points can be passed. But the set of intervals is not dense. It would be dense if all rationals were covered. Regards, WM