Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Re: Faking a TTY on a pipe/socketpair
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:26:08 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 32
Message-ID: <vjl0m0$68i1$4@dont-email.me>
References: <vh9vgr$5bb$1@dont-email.me> <vj91a1$t8pn$1@dont-email.me>
	<vja9r8$14k6s$1@dont-email.me> <vjbiop$1f2e5$1@dont-email.me>
	<vjd3jg$1od5c$3@dont-email.me> <slrnvlk56u.2qa.jj@iridium.wf32df>
	<675a218f$0$12912$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <slrnvlp50u.29n.jj@iridium.wf32df>
	<vjib38$3kiac$2@dont-email.me> <slrnvlr8hp.49d.jj@iridium.wf32df>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 23:26:09 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dd7dcedb5f199d2c5682951f77cb56f7";
	logging-data="205377"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Wq84eyIcYiWJy+iWeXZ5e"
User-Agent: Pan/0.161 (Chasiv Yar; )
Cancel-Lock: sha1:VZ98WPLCsFjrlLSfDQhQL8tdTnU=
Bytes: 2491

On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 15:20:25 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:

> On 2024-12-13, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 20:07:58 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-12-11, Nicolas George <nicolas$george@salle-s.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jim Jackson , dans le message <slrnvlk56u.2qa.jj@iridium.wf32df>, a
>>>>  ??crit??:
>>>>>
>>>>> My God, how did we all manage running services before systemd came
>>>>> along?
>>>>
>>>> Badly, with services that have crashed and nobody noticed for weeks.
>>> 
>>> People keep saying that. But in my experience services were run as
>>> efficiently as they seem to be run today. Perhaps the team I worked in
>>> knew what it was doing :-)
>>
>> How many custom services were you running on a single machine, just out
>> of curiosity?
> 
> What do you mean by custom?

Code that you had to write substantially from scratch, as opposed to 
configuring standard DBMS, Web, directory, MTA, DNS etc.

I ask because the standard services will already have their startup 
requirements worked out, because your own would require you to create your 
own startup scripts. Which is where the trouble would often start, with 
sysvinit.