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Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 12:03:27 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <vjmd1v$hn65$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vgq3ca$beif$1@dont-email.me> <vgsp1c$v1ss$1@dont-email.me> <vgsq2v$v5t1$1@dont-email.me> <vgvm6h$1k8co$1@dont-email.me> <vgvmvr$1kc5f$1@dont-email.me> <vh1vlb$25kic$1@dont-email.me> <vh2j89$29gco$1@dont-email.me> <vh4f7p$2o5hn$1@dont-email.me> <vh4job$2ov2c$1@dont-email.me> <vh78jp$3cbq7$1@dont-email.me> <vh7d5c$3cpaf$1@dont-email.me> <vh9o5u$3un1v$1@dont-email.me> <vhasiv$59e5$1@dont-email.me> <vhcb2r$i5se$1@dont-email.me> <vhcgic$hge9$1@dont-email.me> <vhcngu$kmv2$1@dont-email.me> <35274130-ffa0-4d11-b634-f2feb3851416@tha.de> <vhf33f$16f4o$1@dont-email.me> <f7fab959-0408-49c1-8e1c-d93e389e3021@tha.de> <vhhlvf$1p6v4$1@dont-email.me> <vhhrb7$1q0r9$2@dont-email.me> <vjjgbq$3u217$1@dont-email.me> <vjjh1u$3tvsg$3@dont-email.me> <e20e2d1502c1fdc0c370c7bd61f767f1ec932446@i2pn2.org> <vjk9pt$1tms$2@dont-email.me> <f6e3bceb3370161d5dc527ad8783eb504a6e30a4@i2pn2.org> <vjktk8$5rcl$1@dont-email.me> <064058bf8d7385726ccf40519cc8b496497092cb@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 12:03:27 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0e0cca317dba7248b255a950f9722a2d"; logging-data="580805"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX189usz93ytLtFg/QiWxaZaQSpF7VNXalXo=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:H3dznHSWnwSyac/39IstsT9/VHE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <064058bf8d7385726ccf40519cc8b496497092cb@i2pn2.org> On 14.12.2024 23:45, Richard Damon wrote: > On 12/14/24 4:34 PM, WM wrote: >> On 14.12.2024 19:53, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 12/14/24 10:55 AM, WM wrote: >>>> On 14.12.2024 15:08, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 12/14/24 3:53 AM, WM wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Please refer to the simplest example I gave you on 2024-11-27: >>>>>> The possibility of a bijection between the sets ℕ = {1, 2, 3, ...} >>>>>> and D = {10n | n ∈ ℕ} is contradicted because for every interval >>>>>> (0, n] the relative covering is not more than 1/10, and there are >>>>>> no further numbers 10n beyond all natural numbers n. The sequence >>>>>> 1/10, 1/10, 1/10, ... has limit 1/10. >>>> + >>>>> Except that we aren't dealng with the FINITE sets of {1, 2, 3, ..., >>>>> n} but for the full set of { 1, 2, 3, ... } >>>> >>>> Of course. It consist of all finite n. It is the union of all >>>> intervals (0, n]. Not more! >> >>> But the set of Natural Numbers isn't built that way. >> >> You are misinformed. The set of natural numbers is the union of all >> FISONs F(n) = {1, 2, 3, ..., n} = (0, n]. >> > From where did this concept come from? The set of FISONs is the set of natural numbers designed by v. Neumann. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set-theoretic_definition_of_natural_numbers Regards, WM