| Deutsch English Français Italiano |
|
<vjmd21$hq8s$1@dont-email.me> View for Bookmarking (what is this?) Look up another Usenet article |
Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Newsgroups: sci.logic
Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 13:03:29 +0200
Organization: -
Lines: 36
Message-ID: <vjmd21$hq8s$1@dont-email.me>
References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vhpg51$13soc$1@dont-email.me> <vhpnrb$15239$1@dont-email.me> <vhs2gn$1kjtc$1@dont-email.me> <vhs4ue$1ku9t$1@dont-email.me> <vhv6or$280s6$1@dont-email.me> <vhvbjb$28n6o$1@dont-email.me> <vi1dbj$2moon$1@dont-email.me> <vi224l$2pgrd$1@dont-email.me> <vi4383$3csd4$2@dont-email.me> <vi4a6c$3dt4s$2@dont-email.me> <vi6p1l$3uoti$1@dont-email.me> <vi6unr$3v0dn$5@dont-email.me> <vihd3l$2d9fk$1@dont-email.me> <vihfai$2cnof$1@dont-email.me> <vijrru$37ce1$1@dont-email.me> <vikh9k$3cua3$1@dont-email.me> <viml28$6j3$1@dont-email.me> <0b1bb1a1-40e3-464f-9e3d-a5ac22dfdc6f@tha.de> <95183b4d9c2e32651963bac79965313ad2bfe7e8@i2pn2.org> <vj6vhh$elqh$2@dont-email.me> <33512b63716ac263c16b7d64cd1d77578c8aea9d@i2pn2.org> <vj9s4i$11a3p$1@dont-email.me> <vjam6d$1700v$1@dont-email.me> <vjc65g$1i9vk$3@dont-email.me> <vjf7kl$2s7e5$1@dont-email.me> <vjfmq3$2upa9$3@dont-email.me> <vjjh0o$3u5ec$1@dont-email.me> <vjjkds$3ukck$1@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 12:03:29 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="548af6b5414b171555f35e270ee8ad08";
logging-data="583964"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19gk/mRZ2t+MQiuMh6X0qgG"
User-Agent: Unison/2.2
Cancel-Lock: sha1:USz74rtq45SxhaEySIrThMkH1yM=
Bytes: 3088
On 2024-12-14 09:50:52 +0000, WM said:
> On 14.12.2024 09:52, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-12-12 22:06:58 +0000, WM said:
>
>>>>> In mathematics, a set A is Dedekind-infinite (named after the German
>>>>> mathematician Richard Dedekind) if some proper subset B of A is
>>>>> equinumerous to A. [Wikipedia].
>>>>
>>>> Do you happen to know any set that is Dedekind-infinite?
>>>>
>>> No, there is no such set.
>>
>> The set of natural numbers, if there is any such set,
>
> If ℕ is a set, i.e. if it is complete such that all numbers can be used
> for indexing sequences or in other mappings, then it can also be
> exhausted such that no element remains. Then the sequence of
> intersections of endsegments
> E(1), E(1)∩E(2), E(1)∩E(2)∩E(3), ...
> loses all content. Then, by the law
> ∀k ∈ ℕ : ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k+1)} = ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} \ {k}
> the content must become finite.
>
>> is Dedekind-infinte:
>> the successor function is a bijection between the set of all natural
>> numbers and non-zero natural numbers.
>
> This "bijection" appears possible but it is not.
So you say that there is a natural number that does not have a next
natural number. What number is that?
--
Mikko