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From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
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Subject: Re: [OT] Murder in New York
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 09:22:12 -0800
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On 12/15/24 08:45, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 13:19:09 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 15/12/24 05:09, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 20:32:17 +1300, Titus G Trump <noone@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/12/24 05:30, Paul S Person wrote:
>> snip
>>>>> My solution is simpler: the person at the top is /always/ responsible
>>>>> [1]. Unless he was active in supervising the organization and this was
>>>>> hidden from him.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] This is a common trope, whether by Pres Truman ("The buck stops
>>>>> here", pointing to his desk or perhaps the Oval Office) to Star Trek
>>>>> VI, where Kirk agrees that, as Captain, he is responsible for what
>>>>> happened. So why does the buck /not/ stop at the top dog in these
>>>>> cases?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps because one is fiction with a message and the other is reality?
>>>
>>> Truman isn't fiction.
>>
>> He certainly accepted responsibility for use of atomic bombing of Japan.
>> I do not know of his record of other matters. The buck does stop "in
>> these cases", but nowadays it stops in the top dogs' bank accounts.
>> Didn't Truman also become somewhat rich as President?
> 
> I have no idea.
> 
> But, if he did, that means he /wasn't/ rich when he became President.

	No he was not rich but he was in politics. He attended some
business school class but did not have a college degree.

	Well he had been a haberdashery owner who went
bankrupt in the 1921 recession as I understand it. He got
a good salary while in office and probably wrote or helped
write books afterward. Presidents have pensions so he
was well off.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman>

>  In January 1959, Truman calculated his net worth as $1,046,788.86 (equivalent to $10,941,000 in 2023), 
 > including a share in the Los Angeles Rams football team. 
Nevertheless, > the Trumans always lived modestly in Independence, and 
when Bess
 > Truman died in 1982, almost a decade after her husband, the house was
 > found to be in poor condition due to deferred maintenance.[311]
	So like most other holders of the Presidency, Truman was richer
after he served the nation so well.

	bliss