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From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
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Subject: Re: "The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by
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On 12/15/24 09:32, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 12/15/2024 9:10 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <vjn24t$l6rd$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Bobbie Sellers  <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/15/24 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:02:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
>>>> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/14/24 08:18, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
>>>>>> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by
>>> Jack L Knapp
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Book number two of a five book science fiction series.  I 
>>>>>>>>>>> read the well
>>>>>>>>>>> printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback 
>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>> bought new on Amazon.  I have bought book three in the series 
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> reading soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and 
>>>>>>>>>>> even created
>>>>>>>>>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel.  But,
>>> they caused
>>>>>>>>>>> a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the
>>> will to live.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from
>>> the 20th
>>>>>>>>>>> century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
>>>>>>>>>>> transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going 
>>>>>>>>>>> through the
>>>>>>>>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age.  With nothing but a few tools 
>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>> clothes on their backs.  Survive or die in the primitive 
>>>>>>>>>>> conditions of
>>>>>>>>>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, 
>>>>>>>>>>> mammoths,
>>>>>>>>>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, 
>>>>>>>>>>> etc.  And
>>>>>>>>>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into 
>>>>>>>>>>> what will
>>>>>>>>>>> be the eastern portion of Texas.  They have decided to move 
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>> western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to 
>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>> reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible 
>>>>>>>>>>> winters.  But
>>>>>>>>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and 
>>>>>>>>>>> carts is not
>>>>>>>>>>> easy without roads and bridges.  And constantly watching for 
>>>>>>>>>>> predators
>>>>>>>>>>> or prey to eat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. 
>>>>>>>>>> According to
>>>>>>>>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
>>>>>>>>>> down!), there are four choices (in N America):
>>>>>>>>>> Nebraskan
>>>>>>>>>> Kansan
>>>>>>>>>> Illinoian
>>>>>>>>>> Wisconsian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My rating:  5 out of 5 stars
>>>>>>>>>>> Amazon rating:  4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Oh my!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
>>>>>>> world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
>>>>>>> they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
>>>>>>> the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
>>>>>>> a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
>>>>>> the future world intended for colonization?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
>>>>> at hand.
>>>>>     Canids have been around longer than people much like most
>>>>> of the other mammalian species.
>>>>
>>>> True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
>>>> colonists sleds for them?
>>>>
>>>> But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
>>>> these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
>>>> spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
>>>
>>>     It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
>>> at the very best. Wolves mean human hunters who leave some of
>>> their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
>>> back to their camp or villiage and some of those few learn that
>>> scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
>>> People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.
>>>
>>>     How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
>>> be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
>>> shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
>>> early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.
>>>
>>>     bliss
>>>
>>
>> There is a Russian generational experiment with domesticating foxes
>> that has shown results over, bassicaly, a human lifetime iirc.  My
>> understanding is that said foxes are not really yet fully doglike:
>> They aren't afraid of humans, but they aren't best-friends either.
>> Nonetheless they have come a long way.
> 
> Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do 
> our work for us.  :)

	Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel 
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
	The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
	
	bliss