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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Wu Ming <wu.ming2@icloud.com > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair Subject: Re: Burning old TVs to survive: The toxic trade in electrical waste Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 03:50:51 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 19 Message-ID: <vjo82q$vncb$1@dont-email.me> References: <XnsB23B1D5E4C7E5BX@135.181.20.170> <ffpokj5s4cu1emleg2e8a4rvdehun593ok@4ax.com> <e4a2c384ac0680f6224c6f374dba0b5f462b0f00@i2pn2.org> <4950251152.1f610978@uninhabited.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 04:50:51 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1c6642c9d28f774a235c432a3a625ef5"; logging-data="1039755"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Cksbo+As+bP624GzY3TSa" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TpxX8S5MXb72ss+en94TGiR7a3w= sha1:eOKozyXtMfB9vh1b6IPQzrWTQYI= Bytes: 2146 Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote: > This is wildly untrue. What makes things "throw away" is that we can make them > so cheaply that the labour to repair them is too expensive for it to be > economic. But modern electronic goods are orders of magnitude more reliable > than the consumer electronic goods of yesteryear, so the problem is *not* the > quality of the goods. > > What needs investing in the safe recycling of electronic parts, and I would > suggest that both consumers and manufacturers should be responsible for this. > Demand for new items increases with income. After a while environmental responsibility develops. Decoupling that, i.e. shifting labor and financial returns firmly away from production, has not been seen yet. Is my belief many product categories have seen enough production to last for generations. Unfortunately I don’t see any will to plan and execute a seismic shift in economies which could, even so briefly, pause current capital accumulation streams.