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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Irony Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 17:10:53 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vjog9f$10qp7$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="25942"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:ezrhasHlosx0DOtURLY1/Ym1Oq4= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id DA2E1229782; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 01:11:05 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E17D229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 01:11:03 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 4BG6Awx91144322 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 07:10:58 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 249EF5FD3B for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 06:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/249EF5FD3B; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 9FFD5DC01A9; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 07:10:56 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 07:10:56 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19oYyTua6orY1cJs2gFxRCjtnLMXOBaJWE= Content-Language: en-US HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3383 I've raised Steven Benner's "tar paradox" in a recent post; it subsequently occurred to me that the Miller-Urey experiment is, ironically, a demonstration of this (I've mentioned this in a another thread, but thought it deserved a separate post). Miller-Urey produced only unusable small/trace amounts of amino acids in a "tar" mixture: Breakdown of products: * Carboxylic Acids (e.g., formic acid, acetic acid, and succinic acid): These dominated the product mix, typically making up 80-90% of the total organic compounds. * Hydroxy Acids (e.g., lactic acid and glycolic acid): Accounted for 5-10% of the total. * Amino Acids: Typically contributed about 1-2% of the total organic product yield. * Other Organic Molecules: Small amounts of urea, nitriles, aldehydes, and hydrocarbons were also formed, constituting the remainder of the products. Relative concentrations of amino acids produced: - Glycine: Approximately 2.1% of the total yield - Alanine: Around 1.7% - β-Alanine: About 0.76% - Aspartic Acid: Approximately 0.024% - Glutamic Acid: Around 0.051%