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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Ool - out at first base? Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:33:36 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vjpvag$18913$3@dont-email.me> References: <vjak6b$16l6r$1@dont-email.me> <vjhjul$3fj8c$1@dont-email.me> <d9754db8-9c88-40c4-8376-162d08f2f7d5@gmail.com> <vjj5q5$3scn7$1@dont-email.me> <ghgqljhmg67bcn07hr65h7el42s8bcr39a@4ax.com> <vjjoip$3vd3m$1@dont-email.me> <8gqqljd2at10o4dc137avfugiscjg91g7g@4ax.com> <vjjs8c$1cp$1@dont-email.me> <cu4rlj5lvme1gekehdb1df37c1llon6fto@4ax.com> <vjln70$di5m$1@dont-email.me> <n73tljhrs67n2dfa8ablfc6obgrnm2qn5f@4ax.com> <vjmhs4$ijml$2@dont-email.me> <puqtljpfr6i6fs7ctorh845qke5eves91q@4ax.com> <vjo6a8$vgg8$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="45417"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:quS0Hruc5uKUL4R2fAP13Z+fMjY= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 29D98229782; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:33:45 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1E2E229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:33:42 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <news@eternal-september.org>) id 1tNGqY-000000015dM-3xO7; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:33:39 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 599255FD3B for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 19:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/599255FD3B; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=curioustaxon.omy.net id 324F5DC01A9; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:33:37 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:33:37 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18GDTrGt/zk0CBaR7U+BqVmrfJNE8RbT5w= In-Reply-To: <vjo6a8$vgg8$1@dont-email.me> tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4563 On 12/15/24 7:20 PM, MarkE wrote: > On 16/12/2024 1:53 am, Martin Harran wrote: > > <snip> > >>> >>> Not playing tit-for-tat, but I return a similar criticism: you seem >>> incapable or unwilling to grasp or maintain a coherent focus on the >>> content, logic and qualifications of my argument. >> >> Content: OOL is too complicated and too many unexplained gaps to be >> due to natural processes. > > I've been putting forward problems that have been described as a paradox > (e.g. tar), or that I'm suggesting may have P = 0 (e.g. warm little pond > continuous operation over millions of years). That is, I'm looking at > potential showstoppers, no just "too complicated" or "too many > unexplained gaps". At the same time noting that there is a degree of > subjectivity and overlap in these categorisations. And of course, in > each case supporting evidence is needed. Lord Kelvin once put forward a problem that showed, with more logical soundness and scientific basis than your posts, that the earth could not be hundreds of millions of years old. And yet it is. Kelvin did not know about a feature of the natural world that invalidated his "problems". What makes you think that you know enough about the universe to think that the problems you put forward will not likewise be obviated by further research? -- Mark Isaak "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell