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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 13:40:06 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <vjufr6$29khr$3@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vjc8nc$1j576$1@dont-email.me> <e62c5824-fe06-43bf-9c17-2ea0c70a624b@att.net> <vjcqrb$1molo$1@dont-email.me> <10fbe4d3-a1d1-4740-8d23-8cd96f3b9bfc@att.net> <vjd1km$1nq97$1@dont-email.me> <696c5a55-3cb6-4fa7-bd11-9b8f8eeeaef7@att.net> <vje94n$2206n$2@dont-email.me> <3f902f42-e435-4a44-a179-687ad2a33f16@att.net> <vjfn3e$2upa9$4@dont-email.me> <4f0bc5b5-aba7-4c19-91f7-d4f9788591a0@att.net> <vjh5jh$3ccnk$1@dont-email.me> <c7ff89ab-f6a9-45cf-8a1f-e3a2c96f7905@att.net> <6c74c2e9-17d7-4eb4-afcd-c058309b6c8a@tha.de> <4327ba4a-e810-4565-83e8-b9572018ac35@att.net> <vjjmg2$3ukcl$1@dont-email.me> <b1d876ee-d815-4540-bc6f-fe7c27c146a3@att.net> <vjmgdm$i9be$1@dont-email.me> <abf7344d-b95b-4432-8626-8356dc1dd261@att.net> <vjn9ud$mlgt$2@dont-email.me> <4051acc5-d00a-40d2-8ef7-cf2b91ae75b6@att.net> <vjreik$1lokm$1@dont-email.me> <8d69d6cd-76bc-4dc1-894e-709d044e68a1@att.net> <vjst0u$1tqvv$3@dont-email.me> <7356267c-491b-45c2-b86a-d40c45dfa40c@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 13:40:07 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="88b112977a5337b1fc88536ec63c3cc2"; logging-data="2413115"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/M5MJmCSS9dR0UX6Ko+5PKJyQss4flWQM=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:85W5TtuqOV1K+rP7K6EHDan8Hwc= In-Reply-To: <7356267c-491b-45c2-b86a-d40c45dfa40c@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3353 On 18.12.2024 02:16, Jim Burns wrote: > On 12/17/2024 5:12 PM, WM wrote: >> We have the sequence of >> intersections of endsegments >> f(k) = ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} >> with E(1) = ℕ >> and the definition of that function >> ∀k ∈ ℕ : >> ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k+1)} = >> ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} \ {k} >> and the fact that >> ∩{E(1), E(2), ...} is empty. >> More is not required to prove >> the existence of finite endsegments. > > Here is a counter.example to your claimed requirement: > There are no finite.cardinals common to > all the infinite end.segments of finite.cardinals. There are no definable cardinals common to all endsegments of definable cardinals. Finite cardinals are in all non-empty endsegments. > The infinite end.segments of finite.cardinals > do not include any finite end.segments and > they have an empty intersection. Explicitly wrong. As long as only infinite endsegments are concerned their intersection is infinite. > ---- > More generally, > for limit.set Lim.⟨A₀,A₁,A₂,…⟩ of There are no limits involved. Cantor uses "all natural numbers" (no limit) in his bijections, that means to use them all coming out of endsegments. None remains. The intersection of all endegments is empty. But it gets empty one by one. Regards, WM