Deutsch   English   Français   Italiano  
<vjusg6$2c1uh$1@dont-email.me>

View for Bookmarking (what is this?)
Look up another Usenet article

Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail
From: Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Ool - out at first base?
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 08:16:06 -0800
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 31
Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org
Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org
Message-ID: <vjusg6$2c1uh$1@dont-email.me>
References: <vjak6b$16l6r$1@dont-email.me> <vjhjul$3fj8c$1@dont-email.me>
 <d9754db8-9c88-40c4-8376-162d08f2f7d5@gmail.com>
 <vjj5q5$3scn7$1@dont-email.me> <ghgqljhmg67bcn07hr65h7el42s8bcr39a@4ax.com>
 <vjjoip$3vd3m$1@dont-email.me> <8gqqljd2at10o4dc137avfugiscjg91g7g@4ax.com>
 <vjjs8c$1cp$1@dont-email.me> <cu4rlj5lvme1gekehdb1df37c1llon6fto@4ax.com>
 <vjln70$di5m$1@dont-email.me> <n73tljhrs67n2dfa8ablfc6obgrnm2qn5f@4ax.com>
 <vjmhs4$ijml$2@dont-email.me> <puqtljpfr6i6fs7ctorh845qke5eves91q@4ax.com>
 <vjo6a8$vgg8$1@dont-email.me> <vjpvag$18913$3@dont-email.me>
 <vjt7i9$1vman$2@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89";
	logging-data="13846"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org"
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Cancel-Lock: sha1:gRlou2wsMJy17NnsBVFW6lmXrFM=
Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org>
X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org
Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org
	id C640A229782; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:16:16 -0500 (EST)
	by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C74A229765
	for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:16:14 -0500 (EST)
          by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98)
          for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3)
          tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
          (envelope-from <news@eternal-september.org>)
          id 1tNwiY-000000000he-2jTG; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 17:16:10 +0100
	(using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)
	 key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256))
	(No client certificate requested)
	by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C86825FD2B
	for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 16:16:08 +0000 (UTC)
Authentication-Results: name/C86825FD2B; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=curioustaxon.omy.net
	id 893E9DC01A9; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 17:16:08 +0100 (CET)
X-Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 17:16:08 +0100 (CET)
Content-Language: en-US
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19AClWrMCukBzQkd4jyYRmUtnOsQ0rZnCA=
In-Reply-To: <vjt7i9$1vman$2@dont-email.me>
	tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,
	SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST
	autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6
	smtp.eternal-september.org
Bytes: 4504

On 12/17/24 5:12 PM, MarkE wrote:
> On 17/12/2024 6:33 am, Mark Isaak wrote:
>> What makes you think that you know enough about the universe to think 
>> that the problems you put forward will not likewise be obviated by 
>> further research?
> 
> I don't, not with certainty. Hence I put forward possible OoL 
> showstoppers for scrutiny.
> 
> To that end, do you think the following recent examples have any merit 
> at all? I'm not asking if you agree that they're a problem, rather, is 
> there any legitimacy in addressing them as potentional problems for OoL?
> - the tar paradox

Probably not a problem. It's easy to imagine mechanisms that could 
separate productive products from counterproductive ones.

> - supply of concentrated nucleotides unbroken for millions of years

A problem, yes, but only in the sense that solving any puzzle is a 
problem.  A showstarter (where research is the show), not a showstopper. 
Also, millions of years may be unnecessary. I suspect that one 
bottleneck of abiogenesis is for the proper conditions to come together, 
but once they do, a huge step could be taken in months, perhaps hours. I 
might be completely wrong about that, but then, others might be wrong 
about thinking optimum conditions must persist for millions of years.

-- 
Mark Isaak
"Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell