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Subject: Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up
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On 12/18/24 9:23 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:29, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit :
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>>>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>>>>>>>> beta-testers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this 
>>>>>>>>> happening years
>>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're more overt about it now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our
>>>>>>>> government.  The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing 
>>>>>>>> up the
>>>>>>>> marketplace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my market place is fine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some folks aren't so lucky...
>>>>>
>>>>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new 
>>>>> computer.
>>>>
>>>> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep 
>>>> running
>>>> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for 
>>>> their old
>>>> (unsupported) computers using Linux.
>>>
>>> I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to
>>> become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to
>>> install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and
>>> resistant to learn even the simplest things.
>>
>> I sometimes follow the Mac subReddit (less so now than before) and I see
>> quite a few Mac users (who've usually bought a new Mac) asking what 
>> should
>> they do with their old one. They're either told to put OpenCore on it and
>> update to a supported version of Mac OS (which won't be an option soon on
>> Intel Macs) or install Linux. A lot of them go the Linux route.
>>
>> That said, I realize that the majority of Mac users aren't taking part in
>> the Mac subReddit. Linux runs pretty well on my old 2014 Mac Mini. 
>> Though,
>> usually, when I go to the Mac Mini, I'm trying out something on Mac 
>> side of
>> the computer, not the Linux one.
> 
> A co-worker of mine last year decided to buy an old Mac from around 2013 
> after the seller promised him that he would be able to run the latest 
> version of MacOS. 

Sounds like the seller might have been not quite lying, as the 2013 iMac 
was supported up through macOS Ventura (version 13), which was the 
latest version until Sept 2023 when it was superseded by Sonoma (which 
itself was superseded by Sequoia 3 months ago).


> He got exactly that, but the computer was unbearably slow. 

Many of these were unbearably slow on Day 1, as the base model came with 
a slow 5400rpm Hard Drive which was slightly degimped with a tiny SSD. 
My brother bitched about his new iMac of that ilk as being slower than 
his old one ... which just a year earlier, I'd put an SSD in it for him.

> Linux is truly the greater option on old Macs, and that's what I 
> installed on the 2012 one I just gave away to my wife's faggot friend.

Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any 
old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user 
expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).


-hh