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Subject: Re: ABC settles "rape" claim re: Pres. Elect.
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 14:58:23 -0500
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On 12/18/2024 1:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He did not say "guilty".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
>>>>>>>> that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
>>>>>>>> "rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
>>>>>>>> occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
>>>>>>>> make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
>>>>>>>> case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
>>>>>>>> second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
>>>>>>>> facts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  From your cited article:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
>>>>>>> rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
>>>>>>> “It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
>>>>>>> abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
>>>>>>> speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
>>>>>>> 1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
>>>>>>> failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
>>>>>>> York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
>>>>>>> ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
>>>>>>> Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
>>>>>>> wrote."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
>>>>> worth the bytes it would take.
>>>>
>>>> Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain *that* fact.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
>>>
>>> End of story.
>>>
>> In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
> 
> But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.

Did the jury weigh in on the specific question of whether NY's legal 
definition of 'rape' had been met, or was it an instruction to them?