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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: What are Simple Types (Was: Proofs as programs) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 02:55:29 +0100 Message-ID: <vjvueg$1fflm$1@solani.org> References: <vjks2t$sghb$1@solani.org> <vjksaq$sgo6$1@solani.org> <vjksdb$sgo6$2@solani.org> <vjs63g$1m603$1@dont-email.me> <vjsl6t$1dmbi$1@solani.org> <vjt8up$1m603$3@dont-email.me> <vjttuv$10v9c$1@solani.org> <vjtueg$10vjo$1@solani.org> <vju67k$1m603$4@dont-email.me> <vjulf8$1er6n$1@solani.org> <vjumaf$1erpp$1@solani.org> <vjuptb$1m602$1@dont-email.me> <vjvluk$1fc4q$1@solani.org> <vjvsu1$2epso$1@dont-email.me> <vjvtc9$1ffc1$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:55:28 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1556150"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Cancel-Lock: sha1:pD0hBHfcVYqNzcrIaG0aMYehuw8= X-User-ID: eJwNysEBwCAIA8CVAEnUcUTM/iO09z4MOu9MgglB1WPKnVScF4KNupWlvU2IFf/pG/uRTesFD7gyDG8eZvoHWQ4VAQ== In-Reply-To: <vjvtc9$1ffc1$1@solani.org> Bytes: 3582 Lines: 65 This is also not in the scope of advent of logic: From: Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 23:22:11 +0100 Subject: Re: How to prove this theorem with intuitionistic natural deduction? > 0: P -> (Q -> R) (Premisse) > 1: P /\ Q (Assumption) > 2: P (/\E,1) > 3: Q -> R (->E,0,2) > 4: Q (/\E,1) > 5: R (->E,3,4) > 6: P /\ Q -> R (Discharge,1) The advent of logic has only implication (->)/2 and no conjunction (/\)/2: > Advent of Logic 2024: Weekend 2 > [...] > The propositional logic can do with > *implication only*, and it should be Linear Logic. > French logician Jean-Yves Girard is credited > [...] It says implication only. Just like here, implication only is sometimes called positive logic: Meredith, D. (1978). Positive logic and λ-constants. Studia Logica, 37(3), 269–285. doi:10.1007/bf02124728 I think the example I gave is on page 288. The lambda expression would need an additional combinator W, it cannot be modelled with BCI alone: λx:A->A.λy:A.(x (x y)) : ((A -> A) -> (A -> A)) Meredith, D. gives the combinator expression BCWI. Didn't verify. The combinator W is left contraction, and since affine logic has no contraction, the combinator W is not part of affine logic: W: ((A -> (A ->B)) -> (A -> B)) Mild Shock schrieb: > Julio Di Egidio schrieb: >> On 19/12/2024 00:30, Mild Shock wrote: >>> It cannot be a proof term of Affine Logic, since x occurs twice. >> That is not what affine logic means. > > Well it does. It is based on the combinators B and C. > You cannot translate a lambda expression where x occurs twice > with B and C. You would need S. > > Rule 7 and 8 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic#Combinators_B,_C > > With B and C, you can only translate λx.(E1 E2) if x > occurs in E1 or E2 or none, but not in both E1 and E2. > > Basically the implied requirement to have an equivalence > between the natural deduction and the hilbert style proofs, > that every lambda express can be translated to BCI. > > Bye