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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have
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On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at
>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you
>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine
>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North
>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.
>>>>
>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue.
>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in
>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that
>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop
>>>> charging — of any kind).
>>>
>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a
>>> computer.
>>>
>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
>>>>>> CPU).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)
>>>>>
>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I
>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64
>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens
>>>>> sooner, all the better.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not
>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many
>>>> times now) I'm not a game player.
>>>
>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the
>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64
>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core
>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have
>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power.
>> 
>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop
>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new
>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so).
>
> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but 
> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop 
> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available. 
> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one.

That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that 
parts are widely available and cheap. 

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“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien