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From: Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net>
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Subject: Re: Ool - out at first base?
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:35:34 -0800
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On 12/18/24 8:49 PM, MarkE wrote:
> On 19/12/2024 3:16 am, Mark Isaak wrote:
>> On 12/17/24 5:12 PM, MarkE wrote:
>>> On 17/12/2024 6:33 am, Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>> What makes you think that you know enough about the universe to 
>>>> think that the problems you put forward will not likewise be 
>>>> obviated by further research?
>>>
>>> I don't, not with certainty. Hence I put forward possible OoL 
>>> showstoppers for scrutiny.
>>>
>>> To that end, do you think the following recent examples have any 
>>> merit at all? I'm not asking if you agree that they're a problem, 
>>> rather, is there any legitimacy in addressing them as potentional 
>>> problems for OoL?
>>> - the tar paradox
>>
>> Probably not a problem. It's easy to imagine mechanisms that could 
>> separate productive products from counterproductive ones.
>>
>>> - supply of concentrated nucleotides unbroken for millions of years
>>
>> A problem, yes, but only in the sense that solving any puzzle is a 
>> problem.  A showstarter (where research is the show), not a 
>> showstopper. Also, millions of years may be unnecessary. I suspect 
>> that one bottleneck of abiogenesis is for the proper conditions to 
>> come together, but once they do, a huge step could be taken in months, 
>> perhaps hours. I might be completely wrong about that, but then, 
>> others might be wrong about thinking optimum conditions must persist 
>> for millions of years.
>>
> 
> It is difficult to quantify this time.

That's the point.

> An estimate of the minimal length of RNA required for self-replication 
> is 100 units:
> [...]

Which may not be relevant. The first replication might very well not be RNA.

-- 
Mark Isaak
"Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell