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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking Subject: Re: Tenderizing meat Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 18:33:41 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <vk2e15$33k9p$2@dont-email.me> References: <877b5da77a62f79c4d3637d2d052a1d1@www.novabbs.org> <MPG.41cb7b2d7d81414e164@news.individual.net> <0_f8P.26629$ZAue.1989@fx12.iad> <0c76d5c576a4d42d6aef5ea444c6b3b3@www.novabbs.org> <eaM8P.21834$DYF8.11753@fx14.iad> <vk0scf$2qd0d$4@dont-email.me> <udW8P.8814$vfee.894@fx45.iad> <b88b5693a71f49dedde53a0e5aceca24@www.novabbs.org> <PGY8P.24011$aTp4.2003@fx09.iad> <fefaaee5c6bdad360a12baf0a2f3f020@www.novabbs.org> <vk1rpf$303cr$2@dont-email.me> <vk27ei$32bjs$1@dont-email.me> <vk27qt$32848$10@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 01:33:43 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6c467a57e413d800f6d77a7046accfc5"; logging-data="3264825"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/uMgATwi5VuilDjtJVzjH5jsJ6UNUnGY4=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Cancel-Lock: sha1:xqEb9pE91gS4PmMfha+K0kuM+5s= In-Reply-To: <vk27qt$32848$10@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3279 Bruce wrote: > On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 22:41:22 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton > <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote: > >> On 2024-12-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> I asked RFC's artificially intelligent acquaintance: >>> "In the U.S., prime rib is typically served with au jus, a light >>> beef-based sauce made from the drippings of the roast, rather than a >>> thick brown gravy." >>> >>> That confirms what dsi1 says, but what I noticed more is that the AI >>> makes the same idiotic grammatical mistake regarding "au jus". >> >> Because the AI is just summarizing articles that have the same >> incorrect construction. It doesn't actually know anything. > > I asked the AI why they made that mistake. (Read "American English" > where it says "English". > > <quote> > You're absolutely right! In French, "au jus" literally means "with > juice" or "in its own juices" and is an adjective or adverb, not a > noun. However, in English, "au jus" has been adopted and is often used > as a noun to refer to the sauce itself. For example: > > -French usage: "Le steak est servi au jus." ("The steak is served with > juice.") > -English usage: "Would you like some au jus with your prime rib?" > > This shift is an example of how borrowed phrases can evolve in meaning > and usage in another language. While technically incorrect in French, > the English usage is now widely accepted in culinary contexts. > > Linguistic quirks like this are common—other examples include > "entrée" (which means "starter" in French but "main course" in the > U.S.). So while it might make a French speaker raise an eyebrow, in > English, using "au jus" as a noun is standard! > <end quote> > Poor Master.