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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have
 high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 05:52:44 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-19 à 03:03, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
>>>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
>>>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
>>>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
>>>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
>>>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
>>>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
>>>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
>>>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
>>>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
>>>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
>>>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
>>>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
>>>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>>>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
>>>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
>>>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at
>>>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you
>>>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine
>>>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North
>>>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue.
>>>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in
>>>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that
>>>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop
>>>>>> charging — of any kind).
>>>>>
>>>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a
>>>>> computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
>>>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
>>>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
>>>>>>>> CPU).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
>>>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
>>>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I
>>>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64
>>>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens
>>>>>>> sooner, all the better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not
>>>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many
>>>>>> times now) I'm not a game player.
>>>>>
>>>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the
>>>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64
>>>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core
>>>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have
>>>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power.
>>>>
>>>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop
>>>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new
>>>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so).
>>>
>>> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but
>>> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop
>>> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available.
>>> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one.
>> 
>> That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that
>> parts are widely available and cheap.
>
> True, but those parts will probably only be found in landfills after a 
> while. The same way that it becomes difficult to find parts for cars 
> after five years, it becomes hard to find parts for laptops after about 
> three.

I don't know. I've played with a lot of old Dell Latitudes and I've always 
managed to find the parts I need.

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