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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Ool - out at first base? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 12:46:10 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 19 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vk9tqn$pjef$1@dont-email.me> References: <puqtljpfr6i6fs7ctorh845qke5eves91q@4ax.com> <vjo6a8$vgg8$1@dont-email.me> <ldh0mjdu8asvaikj3ph6mn7mgf0sb6vgdr@4ax.com> <vjt572$1vman$1@dont-email.me> <qml5mjthe1j1upbvco1fb4eaa288vpi5bs@4ax.com> <vk02r7$2mkvc$1@dont-email.me> <53e7mjtgvtlg456u5j3fl5a566grd04fih@4ax.com> <vk0eo3$2o782$1@dont-email.me> <bkq8mj1hcsclr307q9t0pl5il81o0euttr@4ax.com> <vk26gn$325fa$2@dont-email.me> <k7b9mj1qqrqc05gogimjfi30tfmdobv3rg@4ax.com> <vk2i20$346up$1@dont-email.me> <47l9mj1h6n87i72ia0p79a2e06bf4bpuag@4ax.com> <vk2qk1$395ju$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="67702"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:82L/rfPo0wmCohZ1mSmtp0HVkuw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id D43FF229782; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 15:46:45 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 443B7229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 15:46:43 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 4BMKkbTX2718600 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 21:46:37 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23B1D5FD35 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 20:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/23B1D5FD35; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=curioustaxon.omy.net id A420BDC01BA; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 21:46:28 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 21:46:20 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/qOjdixH3e2bPL9R++VN17llguZCs3lI8= In-Reply-To: <vk2qk1$395ju$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3713 On 12/19/24 8:08 PM, MarkE wrote: > [.. > Let me pose a question to you (similar to Martin Harran): > > If after 10,000 years of concerted OoL research (say), all conceivable > natural explanations and pathways have been deemed implausible (say), > then we have these options: > 1. Keep looking for natural causes only > 2. Give up looking > 3. Keep looking for natural causes, but consider supernatural agency > 4. Give up looking for natural causes, but consider supernatural agency Define "supernatural agency". In particular, how does it differ from "dunno"? -- Mark Isaak "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell