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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Speaking of chirality - "mirror cell" could be a majorn threat Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 18:25:35 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 82 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vkahna$t5gj$1@dont-email.me> References: <vk87u7$g2jl$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="75751"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:iJdW92QkwuC2hkgHBXT6in1D/JE= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 19DB3229782; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 21:26:00 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A64DF229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 21:25:57 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 4BN2Pp2u2775113 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 03:25:52 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA3245FD39 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 02:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/DA3245FD39; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=curioustaxon.omy.net id 6EED5DC01BA; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 03:25:48 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 03:25:48 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18aqwyjUFhMBy558sClHtvMippndPIvraQ= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vk87u7$g2jl$1@dont-email.me> tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5199 On 12/21/24 9:26 PM, Pro Plyd wrote: > > Great idea for a sci fi story. Like Andromeda Strain. > > Or > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-nine > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywater > > Other related links here > > <https://news.google.com/stories/ > CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2lwZ0xqeURCRWhCb2xna2Ewck9DZ0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen> > > https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientist-working-create-mirror- > life-013650643.html > Updated December 20, 2024 > > A scientist working to create 'mirror life' > discovered it could be 'a perfect bioweapon.' > She's asking other researchers to stop. > > * A mirror microorganism could end up being a > major pathogen since immune systems wouldn't > notice it. > > * Mirror-image biology inverts a fundamental > property of life on Earth: which way molecules > point. > > ... > Mirror biology takes a fundamental rule of > life on Earth, called chirality, and flips it. > > Chirality is the simple fact that molecules — > like sugars and amino acids — point in one of > two directions. They are either right-handed > or left-handed. > > For some reason, though, life uses only one > chiral form of each molecule. DNA, for example, > uses only right-handed sugars for its backbone. > That's why it twists to the right. > > In mirror biology, scientists aim to create > living cells where all the chirality is flipped. > Where natural life uses a right-handed peptide > to build proteins, mirror life would use the > same peptide in its left-handed form. > ... > A mirror pathogen "doesn't interact with the > host," Adamala said. "It just uses it as a warm > incubator with a lot of nutrients." > > If a mirror bacteria escaped the lab, it could > cause slow, persistent infections that couldn't > be treated with antibiotics (because those, > too, rely on chirality). > > Because they wouldn't face immune resistance, > mirror bacteria wouldn't need to specialize in > infecting corn, or goats, or birds. > > "It would be a disease of anything that lives > that can be infected," Adamala said. > > In the worst-case scenario, a mirror bacteria > would multiply endlessly, unfettered. It would > take over its hosts and eventually kill them. > It would destroy crops. It would have no > predators. It would overwhelm entire > ecosystems, swapping out portions of our > natural world for a new mirror world. > ... Possibly that's what happened, and we are living in the result. -- Mark Isaak "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell