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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: ABC settles "rape" claim re: Pres. Elect.
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:08:06 -0500
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On 12/26/2024 10:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:34:39 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did not say "guilty".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            From your cited article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the bytes it would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain *that* fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one cares.  He was charge and found not guilty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not technical.  It's fact.  Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in technicalities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and explain it for us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We think you don't really want an explanation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's your claim.  If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
>>>>>>>>> you're lying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Non-response is noted.
>>>>>>> Please try again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NY law says that only penile insertion is rape.  E.g., across the river,
>>>>>> NJ disagrees.  And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so
>>>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner
>>>>>> Louima with a broom handle...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Trump was found not guilty of rape.  Do you think it's fine for a
>>>>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
>>>>
>>>> Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
>>>> actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
>>> They found him not guilty of rape.
>>> Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
>>> Trump sued.
>>> ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
>>> You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
>>>
>>> You lose.
>>>
>>> Laughter.
>>
>> Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here.  Just not yours...
> 
> Weak response on your part noted.
> You don't seem to do well with facts, do you?

Not nearly so well as you do with "notes"...