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Subject: Re: The Hypocrisy of Luigi Mangione's Leftist Fandom
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:21:11 -0500
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On 2024-12-25 5:02 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 16:08:20 -0500, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-12-25 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and
>>>>>> evil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
>>>>>> like on
>>>>>> the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
>>>>>> penalty
>>>>>> that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
>>>>>> jury, or
>>>>>> court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted
>>>>>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
>>>>>> Not a
>>>>>> straw man. It's what they believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
>>>>
>>>> Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow
>>>> against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with
>>>> Capitalism!"
>>>
>>> The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
>>> Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
>>> couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
>>> left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
>>>
>> How are you determining the political inclinations of people on Twitter,
>> particularly if they are "average", which presumably means unknown to
>> you, as opposed to famous people? In other words, how do you know that
>> these "average" people aren't just as far left as AOC or Bernie Sanders?
> 
> Based on their words. How else would one determine anyone's political
> inclinations based on a text centered communication platform?
> 
So these tweets actually say explicitly that the tweeter is a confirmed 
socialist/Marxist or conservative? Otherwise, I'm not sure how you could 
tell their basic orientation.

After all, the vast majority of people may be right-leaning but have 
some left-leaning opinions - or vice versa - so expressing an opinion on 
one issue rarely makes it crystal clear where they are in general.

>>> What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
>>> industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
>>> The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
>>> anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
>>> other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
>>> done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
>>> number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
>>> company.)
>>>
>> I've seen claims from people in comments under news stories about
>> Mangione that say they've mysteriously found themselves getting their
>> claims approved since the murder, claims that had previously been
>> rejected.
> 
> I haven't seen that but then I haven't been on Twitter in the last
> couple of days so I have no idea what claims are being made.
> 
I don't do Twitter. I think I saw those remarks in a New York Post 
article about Mangione. My impression is that the Post leans right in 
general but I've only read it a handful of times so I could be wrong.

>> I have no idea how credible those claims are. I can't help but
>> wonder if they are part of an initiative to give oxygen to the crowd
>> that is cheering on the murder: "See? Kill one of their executives and
>> claims start being accepted. Maybe we need to think about killing more
>> of them...." Of course this could be a complete lie.
> 
> Or it's just people seeking a bit of attention by making such a claim.
> It's not like anyone is going to actually check their claims and get
> them in some sort of trouble if they were found to be lying on
> Twitter.
> 
Agreed.

>> Why doesn't someone start a health insurance firm that is willing to set
>> itself an objective - and promise its customers - that they will be
>> satisfied by a profit of, say 10% per year with any additional profit
>> being paid back to customers in rebates on their premiums or reduced
>> co-pays? If they could be satisfied with a modest profit, I would think
>> they would be attractive to customers.
> 
> 
> It seems like Blue Cross is doing close to that. In that at least they
> were found to be the best at actually approving claims. Of course that
> still raises questions about 5-7% of claims that they deny but I
> haven't seen any follow up that looked into the validity of those
> claims that were denied by the company.
> 
I truly can't picture an insurance company that would ever approve ALL 
claims. That would imply that all of their customers are perfectly 
honest and not trying to put something over on them. There are always 
going to be a few people who try claiming something sketchy. And sadly, 
with medical claims, there are some sketchy doctors who will write up 
medical documentation for a claim that they suspect is bogus so simply 
accepting everything the claimant says at face value is not something 
that is likely to happen anywhere.

>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
>>>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance
>>>>> companies.
>>>
>>> Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
>>> everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
>>> still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
>>>    
>>>


-- 
Rhino