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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: ABC settles "rape" claim re: Pres. Elect.
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:33:34 -0500
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On 12/27/2024 11:47 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:08:06 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/26/2024 10:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:34:39 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did not say "guilty".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             From your cited article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the bytes it would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain *that* fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one cares.  He was charge and found not guilty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not technical.  It's fact.  Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in technicalities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and explain it for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We think you don't really want an explanation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's your claim.  If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
>>>>>>>>>>> you're lying.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Non-response is noted.
>>>>>>>>> Please try again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NY law says that only penile insertion is rape.  E.g., across the river,
>>>>>>>> NJ disagrees.  And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so
>>>>>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner
>>>>>>>> Louima with a broom handle...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Trump was found not guilty of rape.  Do you think it's fine for a
>>>>>>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
>>>>>> actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
>>>>> They found him not guilty of rape.
>>>>> Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
>>>>> Trump sued.
>>>>> ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
>>>>> You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
>>>>>
>>>>> You lose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>
>>>> Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here.  Just not yours...
>>>
>>> Weak response on your part noted.
>>> You don't seem to do well with facts, do you?
>>
>> Not nearly so well as you do with "notes"...
> 
> And you evade again.
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