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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: ABC settles "rape" claim re: Pres. Elect. Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:33:34 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 178 Message-ID: <vkn2uu$3q7es$1@dont-email.me> References: <35ndmj91mc14b2eumun869idcm3gc910lm@4ax.com> <vk6rbl$4akb$5@dont-email.me> <tqbgmj9o58l29rqcgag4erommtf2q4f277@4ax.com> <vk9ll4$nssq$5@dont-email.me> <0hlimjpt5q10c56em4ilnj24bgq77f4pro@4ax.com> <vkc4uv$19n3s$3@dont-email.me> <uoalmjddpca0mdcjme67g5uvn80692rl8s@4ax.com> <vkf72b$210ao$5@dont-email.me> <qhcomjh0g8qr15fgsdl1rs4c2plrpr7ej8@4ax.com> <vkhfng$2fvsk$3@dont-email.me> <8ksqmjt8mrj5rtq42eh765gb629p78r8r9@4ax.com> <vkk2ho$32is4$3@dont-email.me> <rfmtmj1dk2fkj1asrshq6ktednij11ueca@4ax.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 21:33:35 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e1825acdde40ddaabb1c085eaf8ae61a"; logging-data="4005340"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+7NT6vYOjFM1qg/i6yYyuPwUpuxjwJMX8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:W+H7vFJsXh3YI4a904SK0xdd/kg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <rfmtmj1dk2fkj1asrshq6ktednij11ueca@4ax.com> Bytes: 9801 On 12/27/2024 11:47 AM, NoBody wrote: > On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:08:06 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> > wrote: > >> On 12/26/2024 10:13 AM, NoBody wrote: >>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:34:39 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did not say "guilty". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From your cited article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s been affirmed by a judge.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the bytes it would take. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in technicalities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Laughter. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and explain it for us. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We think you don't really want an explanation. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that >>>>>>>>>>> you're lying. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Non-response is noted. >>>>>>>>> Please try again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river, >>>>>>>> NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so >>>>>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner >>>>>>>> Louima with a broom handle... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And Trump was found not guilty of rape. Do you think it's fine for a >>>>>>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true? >>>>>> >>>>>> Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of >>>>>> actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Look at you trying to redefine NY law. >>>>> They found him not guilty of rape. >>>>> Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty. >>>>> Trump sued. >>>>> ABC settled because it was an obvious libel. >>>>> You stumble around trying to defend Boy George. >>>>> >>>>> You lose. >>>>> >>>>> Laughter. >>>> >>>> Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here. Just not yours... >>> >>> Weak response on your part noted. >>> You don't seem to do well with facts, do you? >> >> Not nearly so well as you do with "notes"... > > And you evade again. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========