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Subject: Re: ABC settles "rape" claim re: Pres. Elect.
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 12:17:59 -0500
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On 12/28/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:33:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/27/2024 11:47 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:08:06 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/26/2024 10:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:34:39 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did not say "guilty".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              From your cited article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the bytes it would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain *that* fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one cares.  He was charge and found not guilty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not technical.  It's fact.  Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in technicalities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and explain it for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We think you don't really want an explanation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's your claim.  If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Non-response is noted.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please try again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NY law says that only penile insertion is rape.  E.g., across the river,
>>>>>>>>>> NJ disagrees.  And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so
>>>>>>>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner
>>>>>>>>>> Louima with a broom handle...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And Trump was found not guilty of rape.  Do you think it's fine for a
>>>>>>>>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
>>>>>>>> actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
>>>>>>> They found him not guilty of rape.
>>>>>>> Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
>>>>>>> Trump sued.
>>>>>>> ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
>>>>>>> You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You lose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here.  Just not yours...
>>>>>
>>>>> Weak response on your part noted.
>>>>> You don't seem to do well with facts, do you?
>>>>
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