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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: 8 & 9 year old girls riding bicycles Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 11:18:13 -0600 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 68 Message-ID: <vkpbsk$e3n3$4@dont-email.me> References: <imhnmj1sq016t0rlva36tjo22ignie2t90@4ax.com> <rpknmjtgaab3vig4rah0tul99lh44lkk0h@4ax.com> <vkhm89$2h8fe$2@dont-email.me> <vkhpof$2h1bh$5@dont-email.me> <vki72v$2jua1$1@dont-email.me> <ds8pmjpog5pqp5qh8398h1vll4io6pc944@4ax.com> <vkibm0$2k6dp$4@dont-email.me> <vkjutj$31vi7$1@dont-email.me> <d12rmjp9frfabptifd3urpsfpti8q02c0b@4ax.com> <vklv5t$3hqna$1@dont-email.me> <4d3tmjpls6sgqp6oip46p5ac7rrgtjjcbh@4ax.com> <vkmegc$3l35p$8@dont-email.me> <vkmoh3$3npu0$1@dont-email.me> <tvrumjtb7855mroak7ih3fupt417g8b031@4ax.com> <vkp6e4$co6u$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 18:18:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a40eeee6b3fa83fc9fd18ac9b364e210"; logging-data="462563"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1997FuRP8JHeai0dfMPZWal" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:omMOH4zQ7zRc7EoCZwkAnosE7Ek= In-Reply-To: <vkp6e4$co6u$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3843 On 12/28/2024 9:45 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 12/27/2024 10:40 PM, John B. wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:35:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski >> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> On 12/27/2024 9:44 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>> ... shot with a gun in your home ... >>>> >>>> The question is whose firearm? More likely by your own >>>> by negligence/ >>>> misadventure or by the invader's weapon? Decide and >>>> either arm yourself >>>> or not depending on your own risks and your own >>>> assessment of those risks. >>> >>> As I recall, a large portion of the gun deaths in the >>> home happen to >>> wives or partners of men who own guns. Angry fights turn >>> into shootings. >>> >>> And as I recall, those are much more common than armed >>> home invasions. >>> Those are actually quite rare. >>> >>> As John has related in some detail, if someone does burst >>> into your home >>> and threatens violence, having a gun in the home is very >>> unlikely to help. >>> >> >> No, that isn't true. I had a gun which was stored in the >> bedroom. I >> was sitting, eating, at the table, in a different room >> when the three >> guys kicked the door in and rushed into the house. Had I >> been in the >> bed room when it happened it would have been a different >> story. > > "Coulda, woulda, shoulda..." > > You had a gun in your house, probably for "protection." You > are one of the tiny percentage of Americans who ever suffer > a true home invasion. Your gun did you no good, because you > don't go around inside your home with your gun always within > easy reach. That latter fact is true of almost all gun owners. > > Deal with it. > >> The question of whether a gun in the house is useful is a >> far more >> complex problem then one single incident can explain. See >> https://www.heritage.org/gun-rights/commentary/11-more- >> cases-which-responsible-gun-owners-saved-lives > > Ah, eleven anecdotes, doubtlessly found by enthusiastic > search! Versus many, many hundreds of data points collected > in unbiased and disciplined scientific ways. > The Justice Department disagrees, citing 100,000 events per year of defensive firearm use. And they clearly openly undercount. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971