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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: 8 & 9 year old girls riding bicycles
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 18:18:34 -0500
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On 12/28/2024 12:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/28/2024 9:41 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/28/2024 9:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 12/27/2024 8:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 12/27/2024 2:35 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, there are incidents like the woman last summer who shot dead 
>>>>> the guy attacking her husband using her one day old pistol, but 
>>>>> we'd have to call that a fortuitous fluke. Start with that same 
>>>>> woman asleep at 2am and the outcome is less clear.  Your odds, with 
>>>>> years of experience, practice and 'muscle memory' are much better.
>>>>
>>>> But damn, what a thing to devote your life to!
>>>>
>>>> "I'm going to practice three times a week so in case someone breaks 
>>>> into my house in the middle of the night, I can slap my hand right 
>>>> on my gun, jump up into combat stance and blow the intruder away!"
>>>>
>>>> Sheesh. 99.999% chance it's just a waste of time, plus a paranoid 
>>>> mindset.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not really, for me anyway.
>>>
>>> The past several years, I shoot targets weekly with a pistol I made 
>>> and find it a challenging and relaxing pause in my week. 
>>
>> Target practice can be fun, I agree. But I think it has little 
>> relevance to a 2 AM home invasion.
>>
> 
> Only tangentially, but it does.
> Ownership is itself a factor.
> Familiarity, including 'muscle memory' is a factor, just as much as for, 
> as I mentioned earlier, friction shifting or riding no hands. After 
> doing it a lot, you no longer think while doing it.

My point in more detail: In your hypothetical 2 AM home invasion 
situation, familiarity with your gun has value only in the very last 
seconds. Your problems begin so much earlier that the benefits are 
probably only theoretical.

Again, John described his case, in which he was actually awake and 
eating dinner. He had absolutely no way of getting to his gun.

Someone lying asleep at 2 AM will not have the alertness to even 
comprehend what's happening at first. Will they be able to fumble around 
and find their gun? If so, it's stored improperly and vulnerable to 
theft, or perhaps to their kid finding it and shooting himself, shooting 
someone else, or just taking it to school leading to all sorts of hell 
breaking loose.

If they do fumble around and find the gun, then what? Get into a 
gunfight with a guy who has entered with weapon drawn? Good luck! Blast 
through a bedroom door hoping the guy is in the proper location? Good luck!

There's always the chance he can be the hero of a story like this:
https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/texas-man-michael-howard-claims-he-shot-his-son-after-mistaking-him-for-an-intruder-later-burns-the-body/


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- Frank Krygowski