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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Patching TPU innertube
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 18:35:01 -0500
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On 12/28/2024 12:43 PM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 12/27/2024 9:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/27/2024 2:01 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 12/27/2024 1:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Given what I've read about violins (Stradivarius can't be told from 
>>>> modern ones in blind hearing tests) 
>>>
>>> horseshit. Someone with training and experience can most certainly 
>>> tell the difference in the tonal quality between a Stradivarius and 
>>> even a high quality modern violin.
>>
>> https://www.science.org/content/article/million-dollar-strads-fall- 
>> modern-violins-blind-sound-check
> 
> Which doesn't support your claim. You wrote "Stradivarius can't be told 
> from modern ones in blind hearing tests", The article states:
> 
> "the 82 listeners in the test reported that the new violins projected 
> better"
> 
> "asked subjects which of the two violins in a pairing they preferred. 
> Listeners chose the new violins over the old"
> 
> Yes, they could tell the difference.

This question has been studied many, many times, for decades. The 
consistent results are that players or audience can't tell the difference.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/science/a-strad-violinists-cant-tell.html

https://www.science.org/content/article/elite-violinists-fail-distinguish-legendary-violins-modern-fiddles

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/violinists-cant-tell-the-difference-between-stradivarius-violins-and-new-ones

>>>> and wines (cheap wines really light up pleasure centers in the brain 
>>>> if tasters are told the wine is expensive),
>>>
>>> more horseshit. Someone with training and experience can certainly 
>>> tell the difference in the flavor profiles, especially if you tried 
>>> to dupe them with a Gallo.
>> https://money.com/expensive-price-tag-cheap-wine-brain-placebo-effect/
> 
> Which again doesn't support the claim that people couldn't tell the 
> difference. It also doesn't state what qualifications the tasters had, 
> if any. I've had crappy $100 bottles of wine and excellent $25 bottles 
> of wine. Flavor preference is not the same than as "can't tell the 
> difference".

If "telling the difference" is the same as "succumbing to the placebo 
effect," you've got a point. Otherwise, no.


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- Frank Krygowski