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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: interesting article on the understanding modern movie dialogue problem Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 13:09:34 +1300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <vkq3vt$jmb5$1@dont-email.me> References: <vkdvbk$1pe3g$1@dont-email.me> <0001HW.2D20B8EB01A4DF7630A9E938F@news.giganews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 01:09:35 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1b6c09f1e17ceb863df8e5f889f8ef53"; logging-data="645477"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19PbJYP2tQ76GPdsvvODHJsqS3NCE57WrE=" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:caaksUG5VOJSDjNMQFdn2Cv8Dh0= Bytes: 2826 On 2024-12-28 22:53:31 +0000, Pluted Pup said: > On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 01:36:52 -0800, super70s wrote: > >> https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/story/why-movie-dialogue-is-so-hard-to-understand-these-days-163708191.html >> >> >> I didn't take the guy's Twitter poll but I would've been included in that 83%. > > It is a misleading question. My answer would be sometimes > I use subtitles, not whether I use them or not. > >> >> I don't think he mentions anything about a setting that comes with some >> Blu-Ray or DVD players -- in my old Panasonic Blue-Ray there's a >> "Dialog Enhancer" setting that is supposed to pump up the dialogue (in >> the center channel of a 4-speaker setup) and I have it turned on but I >> still find myself using subtitles often. > > "Filmmakers have leaned into the rise of special effects, making > explosions, fights, and gunfire significantly louder. This makes > dialogue seem that much quieter." > > This is quite dumb, there's nothing "realistic" about the > shots and explosions on screen, engineering is incapable > of recording and reproducing such sounds accurately, > they are always far louder than they possibly can be on screen, > as if anyone would want to hear that in a movie theater. > So the excuse to muffle voices to make it more "realistic" > doesn't wash. > > To sum up, the muffled dialog in films is caused by > bad engineering, probably caused by spending too much > money on the project. Over-engineering is caused by > too much money. There's a similar problem with TV adverts usually being much louder (despite TV networks claiming otherwise) than the TV show they interrupt. Thanfully these days we record most of our shows and can simply fast forward through the adverts anyway.