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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: interesting article on the understanding modern movie dialogue problem Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:02:17 +1300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <vkqe3o$l659$1@dont-email.me> References: <vkdvbk$1pe3g$1@dont-email.me> <vkq5oa$jul2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 04:02:19 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1b6c09f1e17ceb863df8e5f889f8ef53"; logging-data="694441"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18iVyjjIT/GZjsJ764OyYqw9wxBHQhvURI=" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:8y1DGDTSjyHwW6glpehLZI3Xnp0= Bytes: 3489 On 2024-12-29 00:39:38 +0000, super70s said: > On 2024-12-29 00:09:34 +0000, Your Name said: >> On 2024-12-28 22:53:31 +0000, Pluted Pup said: >>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 01:36:52 -0800, super70s wrote: >>> >>>> https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/story/why-movie-dialogue-is-so-hard-to-understand-these-days-163708191.html >>>> >>>> >>>> I didn't take the guy's Twitter poll but I would've been included in that 83%. >>> >>> It is a misleading question. My answer would be sometimes >>> I use subtitles, not whether I use them or not. >>> >>>> >>>> I don't think he mentions anything about a setting that comes with some >>>> Blu-Ray or DVD players -- in my old Panasonic Blue-Ray there's a >>>> "Dialog Enhancer" setting that is supposed to pump up the dialogue (in >>>> the center channel of a 4-speaker setup) and I have it turned on but I >>>> still find myself using subtitles often. >>> >>> "Filmmakers have leaned into the rise of special effects, making >>> explosions, fights, and gunfire significantly louder. This makes >>> dialogue seem that much quieter." >>> >>> This is quite dumb, there's nothing "realistic" about the >>> shots and explosions on screen, engineering is incapable >>> of recording and reproducing such sounds accurately, >>> they are always far louder than they possibly can be on screen, >>> as if anyone would want to hear that in a movie theater. >>> So the excuse to muffle voices to make it more "realistic" >>> doesn't wash. >>> >>> To sum up, the muffled dialog in films is caused by >>> bad engineering, probably caused by spending too much >>> money on the project. Over-engineering is caused by >>> too much money. >> >> There's a similar problem with TV adverts usually being much louder >> (despite TV networks claiming otherwise) than the TV show they >> interrupt. Thanfully these days we record most of our shows and can >> simply fast forward through the adverts anyway. > > Most modern TVs have an AVL (Automatic Volume Level) control in their > settings but I've never used it myself. > > My cable provider, a regional outfit, used to be really bad about > cranking up the volume on their self-produced local commercials > (possibly it wasn't intentional, they just didn't know better) but it's > much better nowadays. Probably after several complaints (which included > myself). Supposedly the TV networks already use a similar system at broadcast, but it obviously doesn't work very well.