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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: My computer busted Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 14:55:58 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 97 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vksd0t$15ruc$1@dont-email.me> References: <vkkiao$3558d$2@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="24063"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:hoom0R+QYGC1exbCO4PI92WcMpQ= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 6975B229782; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:56:19 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E960229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:56:17 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <news@eternal-september.org>) id 1tS0Ka-00000001mxo-27B1; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 21:56:12 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A21465FD60 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 20:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/A21465FD60; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 3E4F0DC01A9; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 21:56:07 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 21:56:07 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vkkiao$3558d$2@dont-email.me> X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18UL0tia9/Z/6L5OrdJcp/dSITLVk27yB8= FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 8234 On 12/26/2024 3:37 PM, RonO wrote: > My computer went down, and it just came back today. > > A lot has happened with the Dairy virus. Cats exposed to raw milk in > California have died. An Oregon cat ate raw food (turkey based) and was > infected. The USDA and CDC are not making a distinction between the > dairy virus and other H5N1 variants in these recent cases. > > https://www.oregonvma.org/news/highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-h5n1 > > The Oregon case was sequenced and they know what the genotype of the > H5N1 influenza was, but that was not released. They only claim that the > sequence of the virus from the dead cat was the same as the sequence of > the virus found in the recalled frozen cat food. If it was the dairy > virus there would have had to be raw milk product in the food, or the > Turkeys may have been infected with the dairy virus like they have been > in California and other states like Minnesota. The poultry flocks get > the virus from dairy herds, so Oregon likely has infected herds, but > they do not want to know that they have it. > > The USDA is supposed to be testing dairies in Oregon, but they may not > have started yet. > > Southern California dairies have been found to be infected, and more > dairy workers were found to have been infected. > > Half the dairies in California have been found to be infected, and they > just likely need to test the other half to find a lot more. As stupid > as it may seem they are still making excuses as to how the virus is > spreading to so many dairies so quickly. Transfer on clothing and skin > are a long shot, and they admit that exchange of equipment isn't > happening, but they still do not want to admit that infected workers are > taking the virus to other dairies. They know that 5 to 10% of the dairy > workers are getting infected, but they just are not testing them. The > infected will obviously shed live virus onto other farms, and this is > the most likely mode of transmission to nearby poultry farms because 7% > of the dairy workers in Michigan and Texas surveyed on infected dairies > also worked on poultry farms. Dairy work is mostly part time work, and > dairy workers work on more than one dairy and also poultry farms. This > reality has been denied by the USDA and CDC since the first poultry farm > went down in Texas, and the first infected dairy worker was found to be > shedding live virus (they made infected cell cultures and that virus > became the research H5N1 strain). > > The denial continues, and poultry farms continue to go down and the > spread from farm to farm continues unabated by "quarantine" that doesn't > include farm worker movements and employment. > > https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu-infects-2- > more-california-dairy-workers-cdc-confirms-wisconsin > > For likely political reasons California stopped it's planned testing of > dairy workers and only claims to be monitoring dairy workers. Only 130 > individuals were ever tested. The Colorado and Michigan antibody > testing indicates that around 7% of dairy workers may have been > infected. California claims to be monitoring 5,000 dairy workers. If > they had tested them they may have found over 300 infected by now, and > may have prevented a lot of dairy and poultry infections. > > Ron Okimoto https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall They don't know how some of the California cats are getting infected and they won't say if it is the dairy virus, just claim that it is H5N1. The claim of having over 900 infected dairies nation wide should come with the caveat that most of the infections in other states have not been reported due to not being tested. If all the states had done what California has done the number is likely over 2500 by now. Colorado tested all of their farms in order to stop the spread, but they only had 100 herds total in the state and over 60 of them were found to be positive before they got the infection under control by isolating the infected dairies. My take is that likely over half the herds in all the states known to have infected herds have been infected, and there are states like Washington and Florida that obviously have infected herds, but do not want to admit to it. Both states have had poultry farms go down with the dairy virus, and the poultry farms are known to be infected by nearby dairies, likely due to shared workers. 3 more layer farms have been infected in California. These layer farms have hundreds of thousands to millions of birds on each farm. 10s of millions of layers have been infected with the dairy virus by nearby dairies in multiple states. The denial should end, and dairy workers should be prevented from also working on poultry farms unless their dairy farm has been found to be negative for the virus. There is starting to be an egg shortage in some states and egg prices are going up. It takes years to get a large layer operation up to full capacity. They can't stock 3 million birds all at once. What they do is start a flock, and get it into production before adding younger birds for the second flock and so forth for subsequent additions until the farm is fully stocked. This is so there is maximum production throughout the year once all the different aged flocks are in production with one going into production and an older flock being taken out. Ron Okimoto >