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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Human testing should have been done for the dairy virus
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 20:20:30 -0600
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On 12/30/2024 12:05 PM, RonO wrote:
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/leana-wen-bird-flu-testing-h5n1-virus-face- 
> the-nation/
> 
> I am not the only one that understands what should have been happening 
> since day one.  The tragic thing is that the CDC never wanted to do the 
> right thing.
> 
> QUOTE:
> Dr. Leana Wen said Sunday that the lack of testing for bird flu doesn't 
> mean that the virus isn't alive in humans, and that she feels the 
> federal government "should have learned our lesson from COVID" and 
> should be proactive in making tests available for Americans — and not 
> wait for labs to characterize the cases and their severity.
> 
> "I feel like we should have learned our lesson from COVID, that just 
> because we aren't testing doesn't mean the virus isn't there," said Dr. 
> Leana Wen, a former Baltimore health commissioner, on "Face the Nation 
> with Margaret Brennan."
> END QUOTE:
> 
> It should be noted that the CDC was initially for testing for Covid, but 
> they screwed up, and instead of adopting working tests that other 
> countries had already developed they made their own test that did not 
> work.  This was a strike against the reliability of testing, and allowed 
> the kooks to interfere with the testing and contact tracing that should 
> have started early in the Covid Pandemic.
> 
> The CDC had a similar excuse for not starting testing and contact 
> tracing with the Dairy virus.  Their test was unreliable again.  It 
> consisted of two PCR tests, and one of the tests routinely failed making 
> the test results suspect.  The CDC had to start assuring the people 
> using the test that they could still rely on the one working test, but 
> that they needed to verify the testing results with more testing.  It 
> took the CDC months to fix this defect because they blamed the company 
> that they had contracted to make the tests, and wanted the company to 
> fix the mess.  They wasted months in squabbles with that company when 
> all they needed to do was get another company to make a functional test. 
>   So for around the first 5 months of the dairy epidemic we did not have 
> a fully reliable test for the virus.
> 
> The CDC refused to start a dairy worker testing program even though they 
> knew that the dairy workers were being infected from the first cases in 
> Texas.  They wanted to deny that worker infections were significant even 
> when poultry farms started to go down and it was very unlikely that they 
> have had contact with anything but dairy workers.  The initial surveys 
> in Michigan and Texas found out that over 20 percent of workers on 
> infected dairies worked on other farms and that 7% of them also worked 
> on poultry farms.
> 
> Back in early November when it was found that 7 to 10% of dairy workers 
> had likely been infected in Colorado and Michigan by testing for 
> antibodies the CDC finally claimed that they were going to start a 
> worker testing program in order to detect the infected and give them 
> antivirals to reduce the virus production in them and reduce the chance 
> of the virus mutating.  Nothing has come of that claim and no results 
> have been put out for what the CDC actually ended up doing, which seems 
> to be nothing.  It has been 2 months of nothing.
> 
> It looks like we have been very lucky with the dairy virus H5N1 genotype 
> B3.13.  It seems to have a limited infection range in terms of tissue. 
> It can infect the gut, mammary glands and apparently tear ducts, but it 
> is not a respiratory infection.  The mutations to better infect humans 
> do not seem to be selected for among virus infecting those tissues.  If 
> we had been dealing with genotype D1.1 that has infected two humams (one 
> in British Columbia and the other in Louisiana) we would likely already 
> be dealing with a tragically severe pandemic.  D1.1 does infect 
> respiratory tissue, and the mutations needed to better infect humans 
> have occurred in both human cases making these patients severely ill. 
> This indicates that the mutations needed to make it a pandemic virus 
> commonly occur, and can be selected for in the certain tissues that the 
> virus propagates in.  The teenager in Canada was in critical condition 
> at one point, and the Lousiana patient is in the ICU.  In both cases the 
> wild bird virus did not have the needed mutations, but they likely 
> occurred during the infection of both patients.  So it looks like the 
> CDC's ass has been saved by the biology of the dairy virus.  My guess is 
> that the mutations that we worry about are selected against in the human 
> and cattle tissues that the Dairy virus can infect at this time.
> 
> This should not absolve the CDC and USDA from not dealing with the dairy 
> epidemic as it should have been dealt with.  The USDA should have been 
> testing all the dairies from day one.  They likely would have prevented 
> many herd infections and many fewer poultry flocks would have gone down 
> with the dairy virus, and most importantly many fewer dairy and poultry 
> workers would have been infected.
> 
> https://www.michiganfarmnews.com/usda-releases-findings-of- 
> investigation-into-hpai-spread-in-michigan
> 
> This was a June news release.
> 
> QUOTE:
> So how did it spread?
> Apart from the potential for resident wild birds or peri-domestic 
> species to move and transmit the virus, APHIS reported that the only 
> other potential transmission routes found from dairy herds to the 
> poultry flocks were through shared employment, housing, or movement of 
> employees.
> 
> Investigators found that approximately 22 employees of three poultry 
> flocks worked weekend shifts at two different dairy premises. Shared 
> housing between dairy and poultry workers was also identified between 
> three poultry premises and two dairy premises, with APHIS noting that 
> dairy and poultry employees have social contact too.
> END QUOTE:
> 
> QUOTE:
> According to APHIS, key findings identified to date and potential risk 
> factors for local transmission included:
> 
> Shared personnel between premises
> 20% of affected dairies’ employees and 7% of dairies’ employees family 
> members work on other dairy premises
> END QUOTE:
> 
> This is why I came up with my estimate that infection of 5% dairy worker 
> could account for the spread of the virus to states that did not get 
> cattle and to poultry farms that obviously could not have cattle contact.
> 
> I was agitating the USDA that dairy workers were taking the virus to 
> poultry farms before I retired in May.  The USDA verified that this was 
> the case by June, but still did nothing to try to prevent further 
> poultry flock infections.
> 
> Back in June the USDA and CDC understood that dairy workers were taking 
> the virus to other dairies and poultry farms, but never started testing 
> all the dairies, nor testing dairy workers.
> 
> California confirmed this mode of spread by their contact tracing, and 
> they still did not do what should have been done.  Instead of 
> quarantining dairy workers to one farm they allowed voluntary 
> restrictions that obviously did not work.
> 
> 3 infected poultry workers migrated from Washington to Oregon and were 
> identified, confirmed to be infected, and sent back to Washington, but 
> infected workers have been going to other states from the start of the 
> infection.  There has been no restrictions on their movements because 
> the USDA and CDC refuse to identify all the infected herds, nor test the 
> workers, so they don't even know which workers have to have their 
> movements restricted.
> 
> Ron Okimoto

https://www.the-independent.com/news/health/california-cows-bird-flu-virus-b2671647.html

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/more-avian-flu-confirmed-us-dairy-cattle-and-poultry-flocks-arizona

71% of the dairy herds in California have been infected by the dairy virus.

Over 16 million birds have had to be killed due to infected poultry 
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