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From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 10:54:07 +0000
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On 30/12/2024 22:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 14:40, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 23:28, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 17:06:31 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I can use this laptop with Fedora on it until the machine inevitably
>>>> kicks the bucket, I'll be happy. I don't like the idea of changing my
>>>> hardware every three, four or even five years. If I can go ten with it,
>>>> I'll be satisfied to retire it in favour of something new from 
>>>> Framework
>>>> or System76.
>>>
>>> My Fedora box is a ten year old Dell with a 4th gen i5. I did get a 
>>> little
>>> snappier processor on eBay and added 8 GB or RAM and a SSD but I'm not
>>> planning an upgrade. The only limitation is the only PCIe slot is in use
>>> so the SSD is SATA rather than NVMe so it boots a little slower than the
>>> Ryzen 7 Ubuntu box.  Considering it's been up 41 days that is not a big
>>> deal.
>>
>> Nowadays, speed is only an issue if you're playing games or encoding 
>> videos. Otherwise, the machines we were running even around 2010 
>> should be more than sufficient for the majority of people and their 
>> use of the web, social media and e-mail. Sure, it won't load as fast 
>> as a machine from this decade, but it's not the kind of difference as 
>> people suffered through when some were running Pentiums and others 
>> still used a 386.
> 
> Memory can be an issue, though.
> 
> I had to change to another machine for two reasons. One, that 8 GiB was 
> not enough, machine was swapping actively, and the motherboard was maxed.
> 
> This is because software became memory hogs. Thunderbird, Firefox with a 
> bunch of windows, and LO. After a week, they eat memory.
> 
> The other reason is that Nvidia had stopped supporting my card, and 
> nouveau was not up to the task. I changed to AMD video.
> 
> The older machine I used for a time for guests. Works fine, its power is 
> fine, and is over 10 year old.
> 

My Nvidia equipped  machine is my interim server. (Pi4B coming soon). 
Around 10 years old now

Intel onboard graphics now is sufficient for my desktop.

I too had to increase from 8GB mostly because massive loads of shit 
written in python are memory gobblers.

As is 3GB dedicated to a WINDOWS XP VM.

HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF Quad Core i5-6500 is what it says it is

Its about 5 years old now. There are tons of this class of machine going 
for peanuts everywhere. They were sold to small businesses as office 
machines. In fact its the cheapest way to buy that processor!

I cant recommend this enough for Linux. I cant remember if I had to mess 
with the bios to get the right boot, but once it booted into the live CD 
it was utterly plain sailing.


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