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Path: ...!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Patching TPU innertube Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:00:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <vl1bf1$2b5ff$1@dont-email.me> References: <eevqmjdnt6rj741eks86nd0p3lfuan26o2@4ax.com> <lt63r7Fp12U1@mid.individual.net> <vkl5qn$38s8g$12@dont-email.me> <lt789eF68d6U1@mid.individual.net> <vkmrlc$3ojrh$1@dont-email.me> <vkmtht$30kur$6@dont-email.me> <vknoel$3vnnn$1@dont-email.me> <vkpdch$ee99$1@dont-email.me> <vkq1v6$iqtc$5@dont-email.me> <vkue72$1lih3$3@dont-email.me> <vkvr69$22g80$2@dont-email.me> <lpc7nj1u4mdohl4gtcfmq61t4ck7gtnk3t@4ax.com> <qie7njl61cbs8p2d0sf2v77s56ugeevrrt@4ax.com> <v2l7nj1on1o0883d4t6bn0h8619sra5bbq@4ax.com> Reply-To: frkrygow@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 19:00:10 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1a2e4f2630296e8d16d766962a7cf3aa"; logging-data="2463215"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18PgPNqlTl5UtctPYDk0YMKgxwL9Kiz3yk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:A11YFDVBrT1Ya3Wj0MrrigXKPv4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v2l7nj1on1o0883d4t6bn0h8619sra5bbq@4ax.com> Bytes: 3663 On 12/31/2024 6:25 AM, Catrike Rider wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:54:03 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> I read Frankie's violins. If I remember the test correct it was >> carried out in a hotel room and the test players got to play each >> instrument for something like 1 minute. Perhaps you should read more than one article before wading into a discussion you know nothing about. These tests have been performed many, many times since the 1800s in various environments. The most frequent result by far is that multi-million dollar Strads are not magic. From one of the articles I cited, which you apparently did _not_ read: " During 1 week in 2012, they invited 10 professional soloists to Vincennes, a suburb of Paris, and assembled 13 new violins and nine old Italians, including six Stradivariuses and two made by Guarneri del Gesús. The researchers did not tell the musicians that they would be playing old and new instruments and instructed them to suppose they were picking an instrument to use on a tour. "The violins were winnowed to six old and six new in a double-blind listening test judged by the soloists. Then, each of them donned dark goggles so they couldn't distinguish the instruments by sight and tested out these top fiddles in two 75-minute sessions, one in a small room and one in a 300-seat auditorium. (Soloists could also play their own instruments for comparison.) After each session, the soloists picked his or her four favorites fiddles and rated them on scale of zero to 10 for qualities such as articulation, projection, and playability. Finally, after the second session, each subject had to guess whether instruments in a small selection that included some of their favorites were old or new." If you read that before, you should have taken notes when reading "75 minute sessions" and "300-seat auditorium." >> >> So what does 1 minute in a hotel room tell you? > > It tells you whatever the people who pay for the study want to tell > you. Nothing can be known. All is mystery. Ommmmm... -- - Frank Krygowski