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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary, effectively) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 19:05:24 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <vl1bp4$2bcos$2@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <bb80c6c5-04c0-4e2d-bb21-ac51aab9e252@att.net> <vk23m7$31l8v$1@dont-email.me> <bce1b27d-170c-4385-8938-36805c983c49@att.net> <vk693m$f52$2@dont-email.me> <a17eb8b6-7d11-4c59-b98c-b4d5de8358ca@att.net> <vk7dmb$7mh2$2@dont-email.me> <b72490c1-e61a-4c23-a3a5-f624b2c084e4@att.net> <vk8tbq$j9h1$1@dont-email.me> <bd7dfdc7-6471-4fe6-b078-0ca739031580@att.net> <vklumc$3htmt$1@dont-email.me> <c03cf79d-0572-4b19-ad92-a0d12df53db9@att.net> <n9CdnR02SsevtPL6nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> <45a632ed-26cc-4730-a8dd-1e504d6df549@att.net> <vkpa98$dofu$2@dont-email.me> <3d2fe306aa299bc78e94c14dadd21645d8db9829@i2pn2.org> <vkr8sq$t59a$2@dont-email.me> <d4669f26483b01c8a43dfd3ac4b61ab4a42bf551@i2pn2.org> <vksikk$17fjt$1@dont-email.me> <aa2941e93e806f1dda55d563dd062db67eb879f1@i2pn2.org> <vktmi3$1ia1u$1@dont-email.me> <c46775b30460bc564b3fe7bd1b838713829024f8@i2pn2.org> <vkv3t1$1qb93$1@dont-email.me> <2163aa0c0efba66c813e8ebda5ef5ece6d19ea34@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 19:05:24 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f381e8cbf6f8cad106a41c0e6b63673a"; logging-data="2470684"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX180OQBmbfB25PeFWFLzfe2/hazKwxkofiM=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:hBk/ZqGELmNwOR9un0sEDs+P7E4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <2163aa0c0efba66c813e8ebda5ef5ece6d19ea34@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3659 On 31.12.2024 16:37, Richard Damon wrote: > On 12/30/24 4:38 PM, WM wrote: >> On 30.12.2024 17:08, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 12/30/24 3:44 AM, WM wrote: >>>> On 30.12.2024 01:36, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 12/29/24 5:31 PM, WM wrote: >>>> >>>>>> My theorem: Every union of FISONs which stay below a certain >>>>>> threshold stays below that threshold. >>>>>> Find a counterexample. Don't claim it but prove it. Fail. >>>> >>>>> But what does that prove? >>>> >>>> That proves the existence of dark numbers. >>> >>> How? >>> >>> It shows that there are numbers you didn't look at, but you admit to >>> not looking at all the numbers. >> >> Neither can you look at more numbers. > > Of course I can look at "more" numbers, as I can look at the one after > where you stopped. I don't stop but know that every FISON is finite as its name says and covers at most 1 % of ℕ. If you don't agree find a counterexample. >>>> If ℕ is an actually infinite set then it is not made by FISONs. >> >> That is what I have been telling you for a long time. > > But there is no Natural Number that isn't in a FISON, which is NOT what > you have been saying. You cannot find a natural number that isn't in a FISON. But there must be more because FISONs cover less than 1 % of ℕ. > The problem is your logic can't have "Every" FISON, because "every > FISON" is an infinite set of them, Every mathematician knows that every FISON is finite as its name says and covers at most 1 % of ℕ. Regardes, WM