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From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 11:44:29 -0500
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On 1/1/25 10:25 AM, chrisv wrote (a butthurt double post)
> -hh wrote:
> 
>> (snipped, unread)
> 
> The -highhorse snit sees an advocate or two admitting that they have
> no experience with Photoshop.  The snit sees an opportunity to attack.
> He claims that advocate "haters" have been unreasonable.  They have
> been "loudly critical" of a product that they have no experience with.
> 
> When challenged, the snit moves the goal posts to advocates talking
> about prices and values, which he asserts is being "loudly critical"
> of the more-expensive product.

Gosh, it couldn't have been for the reason that chrisv snipped:

[quote]
Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes 
"reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are 
chronic consummate cheapskates.
[/quote]

Nothing wrong being frugal, but with YA post today of YA Goodwill find 
(this one a Optiplex 9020 Micro for $12), there is an undue amount of 
attention paid in COLA on money.


> The snit also positively *gloats* about the fact that one advocate,
> sdb, made a stupid argument in the course of one such discussion about
> value.

No, I'm under no obligation to cite every COLA poster who's been a fool.

sbd wasn't the only one:  merely a spectacularly  dumb example.  For 
example, Homer was known for this with Photoshop too ("£600").

> But even if one accepts the snittish claim that calling Photoshop
> "expensive" or whatever constitutes being "loudly critical" of it, the
> initial attack was that we were unreasonably critical of something
> that we had no experience with, and thus were ignorant of.

Ignorance as a factor becomes relevant when they overstep, such as by 
attempting to claim GIMP as an equivalent & suitable alternative.

Its no different than criticizing BMWs for being 'overpriced junk' when 
being ignorant on how that product is differentiated in the market.


> But the price has always been known!  Being "critical" of the price is
> *not* being critical of something we have no experience with and thus
> are ignorant of!

When you're ignorant, just how do you make an informed assessment on a 
product's utility, for its potential Return on Investment (ROI)?  Hmm?

TL;DR:  dividing by zero (knowledge) is a fool's errand.


> So, -highhorse's attack *fails* even if one accepts his snittish claim
> calling Photoshop "expensive" and comparing value is "loud" "criticism
> on cost".
> 
> As usual, -highhorse attacked using nothing but idiocy and lies.  As
> usual, -highhorse failed.

No, its noting that 'dividing by zero' (ignorance) is a fool's errand.


> And let's consider sdb's brain-fart of ten (or whatever) years ago.
> This is about the best that -highhorse can do, apparently.  

No, I'm under no obligation to cite every COLA poster who's been a fool.


> Yes, sdb arbitrarily assigned a one cent price to GIMP, to compare relative
> values.  Yes, it was stupid.  Notice the absolute *pleasure*
> -highhorse gets out of this single example.  The guy is a genuine
> fscking *asshole*, folks.


But you *do* remember sbd; its why I chose a memorable example.

> And sdb's brain-fart was only that.  He wasn't being an asshole.  He
> wasn't attacking anyone using idiocy and lies.

Except that sbd came back briefly as butthurt sore luzer, just like 
you're being ... again.

The difference between the two of you is that sbd learned the lesson 
which you still haven't, namely:  "if you don't like being called out 
for saying stupid stuff, don't say stupid stuff".


-hh