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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 18:28:55 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Message-ID: <vl6ico$3ecap$3@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vjka3b$1tms$3@dont-email.me> <e11a34c507a23732d83e3d0fcde7b609cdaf3ade@i2pn2.org> <vjmse3$k2go$2@dont-email.me> <069069bf23698c157ddfd9b62b9b2f632b484c40@i2pn2.org> <vjooeq$11n0g$2@dont-email.me> <2d3620a6e2a8a57d9db7a33c9d476fe03cac455b@i2pn2.org> <vjrfcc$1m1b2$1@dont-email.me> <75921cc1f17cdb691969a99e666f237cd09c0b09@i2pn2.org> <vjsrp1$1tqvv$2@dont-email.me> <25729298b142c60d5b245231984119d42d4ac089@i2pn2.org> <vko14j$53b6$3@dont-email.me> <vko1vp$5mmo$1@dont-email.me> <vko2a3$5mmo$3@dont-email.me> <vkpkbr$fnhj$2@dont-email.me> <vkraki$tpqs$3@dont-email.me> <vkshm4$17741$1@dont-email.me> <vksjeq$17bf0$1@dont-email.me> <vktm9b$1hmvu$1@dont-email.me> <09ef32dfb3944d321e15e1383820166a2082d5cb@i2pn2.org> <vkv4p3$1qhgq$1@dont-email.me> <6d7fb8f4346eb09ea7ccdff45e8ff3d0c4a45ab0@i2pn2.org> <vl0e3v$25vs8$1@dont-email.me> <vl3khk$2qmdg$1@dont-email.me> <vl5um0$3au1p$2@dont-email.me> <85c0a8a2a0f1429c0b3c7acc69e659d174710347@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2025 18:28:57 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a3e4916d82901f495981bca5b3dfcc34"; logging-data="3617113"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Jl1iSF1znZBkGSORs60LOiUXQA/wR2iA=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:T9IZGlMUJKNBvcrSUqsSI4RHU4g= In-Reply-To: <85c0a8a2a0f1429c0b3c7acc69e659d174710347@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2746 On 02.01.2025 14:26, Richard Damon wrote: > On 1/2/25 6:52 AM, WM wrote: >> On 01.01.2025 15:47, FromTheRafters wrote: >>> WM wrote : >> >>>> The collection of definable natural numbers (FISONs) is closed under >>>> multiplication >>> >>> How can that be? >> >> Potential infinity. > Whicn means it never ends, and doesn't have a highest member. So it is. Nevertheless no FISON is more than 1 % of ℵ₀. Hard to understand for people without extraodinary mathematical capabilities. Hint first try to understand 50 %, then 10 %, then 1 %, then 1 ppm, then 1 ppb, then 1/10^10^10^10^10. And then go on. Then you understand the properties of FISONs. Regards, WM