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From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/1/25 1:20 PM, Joel wrote:
> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 11:44:29 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>
>>> [quote]
>>> Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes
>>> "reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are
>>> chronic consummate cheapskates.
>>> [/quote]
>>
>> You omit that many/most commercial software packages are
>> EXTORTIONATE in that they capture users via proprietary
>> formats and subscription accounts.  The only difference
>> between them and the gangsters of old are the machine
>> guns.
>>
>> I can pay $100 for a 1/2" power drill and I can expect it
>> to last 25-50 years or more.  (I inherited a power drill
>>from my grandfather that is almost 70 years old.  The
>> only problem is a loose connection in the power cable
>> that can be easily fixed.)
>>
>> That same $100 won't even buy a 1 month subscription
>> for a desktop software package.
>>
>> The situation is borderline criminality.
>>
>> Both software and information want to be free (as in
>> "freedom" and not "beer").  We are seeing this happen.
>> Commercial software on the desktop is an endangered species.
>>
>> I can understand the airline industry paying big bucks
>> for flight reservation software, or the nuclear power industry
>> paying big bucks for control software, but a desktop spreadsheet
>> or word processor is trivial and should cost nothing.
>>
>> Everything done on the desktop has been standardized decades
>> ago.  There is no need for commercial software in this arena.
> 
> 
> Clearly you're just ranting nonsense,

Which is par for the course for Feeb.

For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for 
just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his 
"25-50" claim:  the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or 
Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.

And they've been gone for decades:  I can recall being on a job site 
circa 1980 where the commercial grades died and the solution was a quick 
run to Sears to buy a couple of Craftsman drills until the good stuff 
could be express delivered.  The result was that the assembly team was 
burning out nearly 1 drill/day, which also meant that after 3-4 dead 
drills got returned, the Sears was getting wise to the returns.


> ...people will pay M$ and Adobe for software if they really need it, 
> the question is more whether the average consumer needs them - I, for 
> one, prefer LO and GIMP 

Of course, but that's a shift from "average user" to "consumer" to take 
away the original context of corporate applications where these examples 
were indeed the mainstream tools for decades, to try to rationalize 
based on the needs/budgets of just a personal home PC user.


-hh