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From: antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
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Subject: Re: Baby X is bor nagain
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 22:22:04 -0000 (UTC)
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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> writes:
>>On 7/4/2024 4:24 AM, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 03/07/2024 15:41, DFS wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/2024 5:36 AM, bart wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> That's enough of a track record for even one person that one can say, 
>>>>> Linux pretty much always comes with gcc. And if it doesn't, it's easy 
>>>>> to install as you say.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> distrowatch.com shows most distros come with gcc preinstalled.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> No, it does not.  
>>
>>Yes, it does.
> 
> David is correct.  I just installed Fedora41 and there were no
> development tools (compilers, devel libraries, binutils, gdb,
> make) installed by default (preinstalled).
> 
> The end-user is required to install them manually.

On Debian "small" install includes cpp, that is C preprocessor.
Preprocessor is actually implemented by 'cc1' that is core
C compiler.  So one can compile C programs and generate assembly.
But most headers are missing and there is no way to create an
executable (and one needs to invoke 'cc1' by path to gcc-internal
directory since 'gcc' executable is missing too).  Kind of silly,
as 'cc1' is 33 MB and installing something like extra 3 MB would
give a working C compiler.

BTW: I wrote "small" as that was minimal thing that installer
offered and which included GUI and sshd.  This installed
several packages marked "optional" resulting in 1.3 GB disc
use.

BTW2: That probably could be good use case for 'tcc', it provides
preprocessor and is much smaller than 'gcc'.

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                              Waldek Hebisch