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From: JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Stone selection by wild chimpanzees shares patterns with Oldowan
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 19:45:35 -0500
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On 1/2/25 6:05 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

>          First, street doesn't look the same from your height and from 
> turkey's height. Turkeys do fly if attacked, but it is questionable if 
> they are looking at anything in those moments, or are they, simply, 
> trying to save themselves, and are watching for some other clues.

When turkeys puff up like the classic depiction of Thanksgiving tom
turkey, that's dominance/aggression. That's also when they "Gobble."
If they do that to you, best take some steps back. That was a poor guy
on the news here, standing on a car, as an aggressive tom tried to
get at him...

When turkeys feel threatened, they spread their wings, probably give
them a flap. This is instinctual. The same turkey can run at you,
looking for food, and STILL do the wing thing when anything catches
them the lest bit by surprised...

The wing thing is to prepare to take off, escape danger...

Know how smart they can be?  I kept the cracked corn in a bag in
the back seat of the car. And those bastard turkeys know this!
Sometimes they'd beat me to the door!  But if they do I always go
around to the other side to avoid any defensive actions form them.

Again, they have some intelligence, but zero symbolic thinking.

> Trust me, "symbolic' thinking isn't a product of a 
> "divine spark" which hit Adam and Eve, this isn't one magical moment in 
> our past, this isn't one special mutation, animals have it too.

No. Lots of animals lack it. Very young children lack "Symbolic
thought." It's the difference between animal intelligence and
human intelligence.

Upright walking, from fossil records, goes back about 7 million
years and likely longer. But humans -- Homo -- go back less than
three. Upright walking is not a "Human" trait, it's a vestigial
trait. But symbolic thinking belonged only to humans, and only to
a subset of humans -- MODERN humans?





>          See, you are doing exactly the same like those whom you are 
> calling a fools, and WokeTardia. Believing in God in 21st century isn't 
> a proof of symbolic thinking, it is a proof of stupidity. Whoever claims 
> that humans ground hematite so that they paint their skin, instead of 
> using sharp (ground) hematite for some practical purpose, is an idiot, 
> if people ground hematite to paint skin, and not to sharpen hematite, 
> they weren't some uber beings, they were idiots.


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