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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: solar penguin <solar.penguin@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,uk.media.tv.sf.drwho Subject: Re: Doctor Who: Joy to the World Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:49:47 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <vl8ptr$3u2ou$1@dont-email.me> References: <xn0ov0u2q4ibsrd003@post.eweka.nl> <qNebP.89590$wb2.43917@fx05.ams4> <vknfis$3tmhq$2@dont-email.me> <vkois3$93r8$1@dont-email.me> <xn0ov3g4p73jb9g001@post.eweka.nl> <SE287mCnR9bnFwNl@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk> <vkr29m$s2kr$1@dont-email.me> <xn0ov4t4m8guk0b006@post.eweka.nl> <vl4psr$312ii$5@dont-email.me> <vl5ndd$39kjf$1@dont-email.me> <vl70n5$3gjid$2@dont-email.me> <vl72qe$3hg66$1@dont-email.me> <vl771p$3i2sd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2025 14:49:48 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4d46beb742cbab2d9d4c182a3ba78de3"; logging-data="4131614"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18QZ9vHT1kS+6RqXQ/k//z1mXLgZ0kFJSo=" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8zZoLeA/YTuLjkJpJHaF4LlvOxg= sha1:4L5TiAsM2trYIIlmF9d96XxxDPw= Bytes: 3237 The True loon let loose with: > On 02/01/2025 22:09, solar imbecile wrote: >> >> The True loon let loose with: >> >>> >>> That is tantamount to condoning abortion at all stages of pregnancy. >>> What about the life of the unborn child? >>> >> >> OTOH we don’t even know for certain if Gallifreyan women do >> get pregnant. What if they lay eggs instead? >> > > If they laid eggs then they would have to incubate them. Where are the > incubators? In the buildings of the Gallifreyan Maternity Service, under the logo of the crossed computers (as mentioned in ‘The Creature from the Pit’). > Is Romana Dejah Thoris? In any case, how would an egg come > out of a man? The problem still remains. Allowing a pregnant Time Lady > to regenerate into a man is tantamount to murder of the unborn child, > and that includes eggs. > I was specifically addressing your point that it was like allowing abortion ‘at all stages of pregnancy.’ Eggs are laid at the earliest possible stage of pregnancy, before the foetus has developed. Once laid they’re outside the mother’s body and she can regenerate all she likes without having any effect on the baby whatsoever. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear enough before. OTOH if you’re still mammal-centric enough to insist that Time Ladies have placental pregnancies, then maybe the embryo isn’t reabsorbed right away. While the newly-male mother is still still within the first fifteen hours of their regeneration cycle, there’s enough residual regeneration energy to allow another regeneration back to female and continue the pregnancy as before. (The regeneration cycle thing was established back in ‘The Christmas Invasion’, so even you should accept it as canonical!) -- solar penguin