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From: Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-01-02 16:05, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 23:06:47 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
> >>
> >>> It provides vanilla Android and not Android mixed with a manufacturer UI
> >>> and modified functions.
> >>
> >> AKA It's not filled with crap from Samsung.
> > 
> >    *Every* manufacturer fills their devices with "crap", not just
> > Samsung.
> 
> Hum. No, some manufacturers don't "fill". They add less customization, 
> like Motorola (Lenovo group). This way updates come faster.

  I said "fill", because it's the term 's|b' used. I don't consider my
phones "filled with crap" or having too much customization.

> Samsung phones use to have older Android versions, and sometimes they 
> don't update the phone to the next version after being sold. And that 
> update comes several months later, because they have to add again their 
> customization layer. And in the case of Samsung, it is big.

  As you said, that *used* to be the case, but is no longer the case for
many years, at least 4+ years, but probably longer. My 4+ year old
Samsung Galaxy A51 lower-range phone came with Android 10 and was
updated to 11, 12 and finally 13.

> This is not absolutely bad, some people do like those additions. I do 
> like them, just not the delay they mean.

  It's a don't care for me. Security updates come in between the major
versions, not only via the manufacturer, but also through 'Google Play
system updates' (note case of the spelling, they are *system* updates,
not updates to the Google Play app or its other components).

> >    Only for Google phones, 'we' do not call it "crap", but "vanilla",
> > "standard", "stock", etc..
> 
> No, google phones come directly without a customization layer.

  Of course, but they are still customized and I doubt that they don't
come with any Pixel-only or/and third-party software. And over time the
meaning/content of "vanilla"/"standard"/"stock" Android has changed, so
let's not use those meaningless terms and just - as for any Android
phone - mention brand, model and Android version.

  And, one man's "crap" is another man's functionality.

> >    Now do the same exercise for Windows and Chrome!
> 
> Yes, some companies sell their laptops with a lot of customization. Say 
> HP. This is not bad per se. The recovery feature is good. But the layer 
> can include apps that slow the laptop while promoting their business 
> interests.

  On my HP laptops there's no "promoting" going on. On the current one,
there's about 100MB of HP-related processes, taking no other resources
(CPU, Disk and Network all at 0%).

  FYI, my current laptop no longer has "the recovery feature". There's
no 'Recovery Manager' anymore (which allowed you to re-install a factory
version from the (HP) recovery partition). I assume the Windows 10 and
11 check/repair functions were considered good enough that HP's Recovery
Manager was no longer needed.