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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: Finishing Crystal Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 19:17:20 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vl99ji$12o7$1@dont-email.me> References: <vjsmj0$1t4s9$1@dont-email.me> <1211cb3025c1a19f9d3a85578216a687@www.novabbs.com> <vl71tk$3hb85$1@dont-email.me> <vl8ajr$3rbnj$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2025 19:17:23 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="17ee08d662a29381c5f39150c42d3a1e"; logging-data="35591"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+8wIzpe+8t+CGx58slq7PkZ7Ybt7Fiz5w=" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:x3H3Uo16QI4V6qd4vW8Wh4JWg1Q= Bytes: 2250 On 2025-01-03 09:28:28 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said: > On 2025-01-02 21:53:52 +0000, Ross Clark said: > >> On 1/01/2025 2:21 p.m., HenHanna wrote: > > [ … ] > >>> >>> "Vitin e ri!" -------- Do lots of Ling-buffs know this lang, or phrase? >> >> I couldn't say. It's Albanian, the first item on the 50-language list. >> The meager Albanian language resources within a 1m range of my keyboard >> tell me that _vit_ means 'year' and _(i) ri_ means 'new'. > > Google Translate recognizes it as Albanian -- pretty good for such a > short piece of text with no give-away letters like ë in it. If your browser didn't display it it properly, the letter is e with a diaeresis. >> >>> is this Vitin cognate with French venir ? >> >> No. According to Buck 1940 there's a PIE *wet(es)- which gives us: >> Greek (w)etos 'year' >> Sanskrit vatsa- 'calf (yearling)' >> tri-vatsa- 'three years old' >> Albanian vjet 'year' >> and might be connected with Latin vetus 'old'. >> Watkins 2000 adds English wether (Germanic *wethruz) and Latin vitulus >> 'calf, yearling'. -- Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly in England until 1987.