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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Ove Interest?
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 05:47:49 -0500
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 23:21:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/4/2025 6:52 PM, John B. wrote:
>>  
>> The point is that Frank, over and over, has told us that guns in
>> houses results in increased home shootings, no, "is", "maybe", "that
>> example doesn't count" excuses.
>
>The available data for America clearly shows that. American households 
>with guns have a much higher incidence of family members killing family 
>members, compared to American households without guns, no matter what 
>sort of neighborhood.
>
>That's the data that exactly applies to the point you're addressing. Why 
>do you discount that data and go looking for excuses?
>
>> And now, when I mention that Switzerland doesn't have the same
>> problem, Suddenly, Frankie comes up with all the  same "is", "Maybe"
>> and "don't count" excuse that he has ignored for years.
>
>Look again, John. Switzerland has far fewer guns per person than the 
>U.S. Switzerland also has far fewer shooting deaths per person than the 
>U.S.
>
>Switzerland has more guns per person than France. Switzerland also has 
>more shooting deaths per person than France.
>
>Switzerland has more guns per person than Britain. Switzerland also has 
>more shooting deaths per person than Britain.
>
>We can repeat this with the same results for many, many countries. But 
>of prosperous "developed" nations, the U.S. is an outlier, both 
>regarding number of guns and gun death rates per capita.
>
>> So the real question is "Is Frank simply a confirmed liar"? Or is
>> Frank so stupid that he never bothered to actually study the subject
>> and just parroted the "party line" as it were?
>
>I'd say the question is "Is John really unable to understand the data?" 
>I suspect you're not. Instead, I suspect your deep reverence for guns 
>doesn't allow you to even consider data contrary to your position.

"The available data for America clearly shows that. American
households with guns have a much higher incidence of family members
killing family members, compared to American households without guns,
no matter what sort of neighborhood."

Which does not mean that guns are the cause.

I suspect that households with drugs also have a much higher incidence
of family members killing family members, compared to American
households without drugs.


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C'est bon
Soloman