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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: SDL, SDLC, PL/I (was Re: VMS Pascal article) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2025 14:54:26 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <vlc3li$jo64$1@dont-email.me> References: <vl3pi8$2r2sr$1@dont-email.me> <mn.12957e91a655c502.104627@invalid.skynet.be> <vl73d2$3hibm$1@dont-email.me> <vl7fsa$3jfcf$1@dont-email.me> <vl7lig$3h2q4$1@dont-email.me> <vl7lo5$3jfcf$2@dont-email.me> <vl7mmk$3h2q4$3@dont-email.me> <6777df4e$0$711$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <vl8sae$3s2gk$1@dont-email.me> <vlc1bf$jdp1$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 20:54:26 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3955df9ec4699b320f8ab12130185980"; logging-data="647364"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX183UIXcdnCYVxIp4aFMN3YRyoVdPUr9Nq8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:SZUUPLwMg4CNp8pE9zTRPT7WWrQ= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vlc1bf$jdp1$1@dont-email.me> On 1/4/2025 2:14 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote: > On 2025-01-03 14:30:37 +0000, Robert A. Brooks said: >> On 1/3/2025 7:59 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 1/2/2025 10:48 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote: >>>> On 1/2/2025 10:32 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>>>> I thought it was PL/I. Which is why I asked. >>>> >>>> Rewritten in the early 2000's. >>> >>> Ah. So it was rewritten for Itanium instead of being AEST'ed. >>> >>> I wonder whether it was because someone at HP decided to do the right >>> thing or because AEST couldn't handle it. >> >> I am not aware of an attempt to AEST it; it was rewritten by Walter >> Breu (sp?) of HP Germany. He was not in VMS Engineering, so I wasn't >> paying a lot of attention when he was doing the work. >> >> Pretty sure it was part of the "get rid of all PL/I" initiative. > > That's basically correct, yes. And Walter Breu was the author of the > SDLC port and of some related updates. One of the goals of that SDLC > port was character-level-formatting compatibility with the PL/I version > of the SDL tool; matching DIFF'ing. > > Various factors that triggered this port including the transition of PL/ > I to Uniprise and later Kednos — and particularly the lack of a PL/I > compiler on Itanium — and caused an interest in reducing the usage of > PL/I within OpenVMS. MONITOR was the biggest existing user of PL/I. Walter Braeu I tried installing 2.3 on VMS Alpha. And the installation procedure attempts to send an email to him at hp.com. Unusual! Arne