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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: The problem with not owning the software Date: 4 Jan 2025 21:13:14 GMT Organization: NOYB Lines: 32 Message-ID: <vlcbpm.vp8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> References: <Tn39P.50437$%aWb.4583@fx18.iad> <vks1gq.ufk.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <ltdrjlF7nkqU6@mid.individual.net> <vkso91$12a03$10@dont-email.me> <vktlct$1i26p$9@dont-email.me> <vkvfi0$1sirn$4@dont-email.me> <vl3reg$2runj$1@dont-email.me> <vl4578$2tjip$4@dont-email.me> <vl57cv$36qpj$1@dont-email.me> <vl5vlk$3b63u$1@dont-email.me> <vl72g8$3h9eh$6@dont-email.me> <vla6jr$61h7$1@dont-email.me> <vlaen8$au6q$2@dont-email.me> <O2ceP.256279$ZAue.230404@fx12.iad> X-Trace: individual.net JuGlX8KeiHy0YBweep/bcQ4m3tQW9hC47MbQh60J8pj6XXEutJ X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:qgJiPSrA5mAuwxfyy4PRrY7dmkM= sha256:i16HOvW0POYN38Uhjmc2glKLGzk1nrjUzAqDDIoEAYc= User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (CYGWIN_NT-10.0-WOW/2.8.0(0.309/5/3) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2 Bytes: 2974 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: [...] > At first glance, there is a lot about Windows that is way more > user-friendly than Linux. However, if you take something like Linux Mint > and compare it to Windows 11, you'd wonder _how_ Windows 11 is > friendlier. In Windows 11, some applications can't be removed and you > don't get an idea why. Some Windows components aren't even listed in the > applications so you have to wonder how to install or remove them. For > drivers, they're installed through Windows Update but if they don't work > right, you just have to know about the Device Manager which is > impossible to find on your own because they're phasing out the Control > Panel. Some programs are available through the Window Store, others > through the web which means that some are repairable and easily > uninstallable whereas the others aren't... and so on. For new users, > Linux Mint is actually _much_ simpler than Windows is. FWIW, IMO from a system management and system maintenace standpoint, Windows 11 (and 10 for that matter) is not user-friendly at all. Actually I would be hard-pressed to come up with anything in Windows 11 (itself, not applications/software for it) which is user-friendly. I think regular users (not 'geeks' like us) just try to run their 'applications' on it till it breaks and then give it to some acquaintance etc. or 'professional' to (try to) fix. Luckily, I have no such users in my circle of family, friends, etc.. Only one (heavy) Windows user, but he's an IT professional. Others are mostly Apple users (phones, tablets, laptops, 'desktops'), who mostly seem to get by without too many problems (or at least they don't bother me with them :-)).